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Offline JKump

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200 yard plus Handi?
« on: November 17, 2008, 09:32:33 AM »
I currently have a NEF Survivor 308 with monte carlo stock. Have taking deer up to about 150 yards with it. I have a chance to hunt some field and might need something with a little more range. Was thinking on getting another barrel, I like the Handi's. What options are out there. I see from the web sight I might be stuck with either a 270 or 280. I don't think either offers any more than the 308. So am i good with what i got or is there anything better?
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2008, 09:43:16 AM »
I wouldn't sell the .308 short, I've killed a deer at over 300yds with my BLR, I wouldn't expect the Handi to be any less accurate.  ;)

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2008, 09:47:50 AM »
By no means will I get rid of the 308. Just wanted to add a another barrel. Or if another is even needed.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2008, 09:49:45 AM »
The 25-06, 270 or 280 are all good choices for 400yd deer, the 270 is only available in a 22" barrel, but the other two are 26".   ;D

The 7mm-08 would be another one to consider. ;)

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2008, 09:51:46 AM »
i've killed deer with a 308 past 700 yards (and in a handi no less) your 308 is more then enough gun to handle a deer at those ranges , but if you just want a reason to buy an other gun ???? the 25-06 is a lot of fun
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2008, 10:00:29 AM »
If you can hit the target consistently at 300 yards, the .308 will do it's part.  With most of the modern 30 cals at that kind of range and beyond it's usually a matter of the shooter, not the shooted.  If I remember correctly, the 308 at 300 yards is still carrying around 13 to 16 hundred foot pounds at something near 2200 fps.  The deer won't know the difference.  jm2cw

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 10:09:24 AM »
I think both of them offer a step up in long distance performance. If your reload go for the 280 and If you do not then the 270. The 280 is not too far behind the 7mm Mag in performance. They shoot flatter and have bullets with higher BC's for bullet weight than a 308. Are they a big step up? - in a word no. They are not going to double your range. Are they a step up? - most definitely yes.  They should be some where around 100 yards in extended range. The only chamber that H&R offers that might have a longer range than a 270 or a 280 would be the 25-06, but the bullets are lighter. I can not tell you what you need. If you want to save a few bucks then you can get by with the 308. BTW the 280 and 25-06 barrels are 26"; the 270 is 22".

308 zeroed at 200 yds and a Hornady 150 BTSP @ 2700 fps has a BC of .349 and has a drop of 9.3" @ 300 yds and drop of 27.5" @ 400 yds

280 zeroed at 200 yds and a Hornady 154 SP @ 2800 fps has a BC of of .433 and has a drop of 7.9" @ 300 yds and a drop of 23.1" @ 400 yds.

This is taken right out of the Hornady ballistic tables. Actual performance needs to be determined in the field at actual targets to be exactly on. It does give you an idea of performance of one compared to the other. It is up to you to decide if it is worth it to get higher performance by getting another barrel.

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2008, 10:17:40 AM »
Notice that the differences LaOtto222 quoted are less than one MOA at 300 yards and just over one MOA at 400 yards. I doubt you could tell the difference under field conditions.
That said, I'm a fan of the 280, especially with a 26" barrel on a short frame.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2008, 10:23:59 AM »
168 gr. boatail in a .308 will do most anything you need to.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2008, 02:14:43 PM »
if you want to get another barrel that's fine,but your 308 will do anything you need to do as far away as you need to shoot,keeping in mind that none of us (or anybody else) should be shooting at game animals farther away than our marksmanship skills warrant...a pretty darn confident shot.....spend more time shooting your gun and learning it's trajectory and you will be fine.....now go get a big buck with that 308
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2008, 02:31:51 PM »
petemi and zoner speak the truth.......
.308 will do the job just as good as the others.
if you know the rifle, and what it likes for your needs.... thats the trick!!!
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2008, 02:40:32 PM »
I believe the .308 is a perfectly capable round out to 500 - 600 yards or even farther with the right equipment, that is if you put in the necessary time to fully know your rifle and load. With a good, accurate, consistent load you can easily create your own personal ballistic chart for your gun. Combine this with a good set of optics that can reliably adjust and come back to zero, and either a range finder or a good eye for judging distance to target and the .308 will do it's job and do it well! The latest, greatest, fastest, and flattest cartridges are nice to look at in a magazine, but few people who own them actually need them or even use them to their fullest potential. Take time to know your rifle, and your rifle won't let you down! Now whether or not your Handi is capable of X yards... well only you can answer that one.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2008, 03:03:54 PM »
Mitch132?
Oh, no, now there's three of us.  ;D
The other one changed his name to Mitchell a few years ago.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2008, 03:41:52 PM »
.308 has been killing bad guys out to 800 yards for a good long time. But if you want a new bbl go with the 280 there are more bullets available.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2008, 04:33:02 PM »
Well this site must be attracting the best and the brightest to have such a collection of Mitchells!  ;D  Mitch132 is borrowed from my college's e-mail address assigned to me. Meaning I'm the 132nd person with the last name Mitchell to attend since they started giving out email addresses in the 90's.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2008, 05:24:28 PM »


  I'd go so far as to say if the .308 won't do what you what done, none of the others will either.
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2008, 05:50:44 PM »
I agree with many here, your .308 would be fine! But this fall My 30-06 Handi took one white tail at 225 yds (125 gr) and my 7mm-08 Handi took one at 250 yds. (130 gr) It is all about what your comfortable with. Practice and you will do fine with which ever you decide to use. Just get to know your ballistics and shoot at many different ranges and mark your targets so even when your sitting in the house or shed by the loading bench you can look through them and remember where those bullets hit at 200, 300 + yds. Maybe you will never shoot that far but if you do it at the range enough, when the chance comes up you will have the confidence to make it without doubting your rifle. Good luck, enjoy the new gun or the old one. Just remember whichever one you use, trigger pull can really mess with a long shot if it's too hard of a trigger pull. - Brent
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2008, 07:25:25 PM »
JKump, I think your right when you said "I don't think either offers any more than the 308".  If you know your rifle and have praticed, you"ll do fine.
The boys have been doing the 1,000 yard thing at Camp Perry with the 30-06 and the 308 for awhile with good results. You still need to knock it down after you hit your target. -g
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2008, 12:01:38 AM »
Quote from: zoner on November 17, 2008, 02:14:43 PM
If you want to get another barrel that's fine, but your 308 will do anything you need to do as far away as you need to shoot. Keeping in mind that none of us (or anybody else) should be shooting at game animals farther away than our marksmanship skills warrant... A pretty darn confident shot..... Spend more time shooting your gun and learning it's trajectory and you will be fine..... Now go get a big buck with that 308!

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2008, 01:43:32 AM »
A 308 should be able to kill a deer out to 300 yard with no holdover if sighted correctly.  I believe it was adopted by NATO as a long range sniper cartridge.  I have seen the 308 shot at 1000 yds in competition shoots with amazing accuracy.

Plenty of gun for a deer at 300 yards and beyond...

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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2008, 06:12:11 AM »
A long time ago, and far away I took an Asian water buffalo with a .308 at something over 300 meters. He had gotten into the mine field around our perimeter, and had lost a leg on a mine. He went down so fast when I shot him that he made a spash in the puddle he was standing in. Been looking for a deer that big ever since, but havn't found one that big, or that tough yet. I did see a bull moose that size while deer hunting here in NH the other day that was as big. Sure is fun to see them in the woods!
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2008, 06:38:52 AM »
I don't know any 168 gr 30 cal bullets that are meant for hunting. Somebody know better?
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2008, 06:51:56 AM »
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2008, 07:48:52 AM »
Thanks Tim for the update.  :)

The only 168 gr stuff I had in my head were all match  type bullets. After I posted the thought of the Berger's did occur to me, I see that they are in the game as well.

It is interesting to see that slight inrease from 165 gr. Did the match ammo weight have anything to do with that?
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Re: 200 yard plus Handi?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2008, 12:36:39 PM »
nosler bt's 165gr, works very well on whitetail. if charged correctly and
a bit of friendship with the shoot'n iron.....
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