INFO NEEDED PART II

[williamlayton]

Now for some dumb questions.
I wish too determine what I have--trapper, ranger, ect.
Measuring from the front of the barrel too the reciever is 20 inches.
From the butt too the trigger is 13 1/2 inches.
Over all is 38 inches.
It is a round barrel.
I don't think it is a Ranger---butttt ??
It may make a difference in the peep sight I choose---for instance the Williams sight makes a statement that one of their peep sights is for a Ranger with a dove tail front sight and mine does have a dove tailed front sight.Well at least the raised portion with the dot is dove tailed.
There is no use going too the Winchester site as they give no info anymore.
I really am a bit confused.
Not that I have chosen a fire sight from williams but I have heard of other front sights. Whish is a great question---a suggestion for a front sight.
I have gone back pretty far in the archives and cannot find a discussion on this.
Blessings

[Dand]

Is  the front sight blade (bead) dove tailed into a ramp or directly into the barrel.  I think that is the difference.  I have a M94 built about 1968; I have a ramp and the sight blade is dove tailed into the ramp.

The ranger was an economy gun and I don't think it had the ramp, probably a birch instead of "walnut" stock. My stock is walnut sapwood and almost as light as a birch stock.

My 1972 Shooter's Bible does not list a Ranger model for that year. Dang, hadn't looked there in years - to think a M94 only listed for $109.95 then and the M 70 for $175 to $360!!

Hope this helps.

[williamlayton]

Thanks Dand--that was exactly the information requested.
I knew that was not a Ranger that i had purchased but was just unsure enough too want it confirmed by one who was a lot more informed than I.
How difficult is it going too be to remove the front bead--if I need/want too?
How difficult is it going too be too remove the rear open sight?
This is a question of--without doing damage and degree of difficulty in removing it/them period.
Blessings

[Rangr44]

Williams sells a FireSight set, with both a peep and the proper height fibre-optic front blade, for your rifle.  The Williams peep set, with target knobs is  FP-94/36 - T, w/o the knobs is item # 63331, FP-94/36

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/image33.htm

Don't forget to also order a slot filler blank (they are universal size), for the old rear sight dovetail - which you are vacating.

Both front and rear (old) sights come out by tapping them out towards the right (as you look down the barrel) - use a non-marring drift, like the brass hinge pin fron an interior door's hinge set.

Don't tap the front sight in/out, without first supporting the ramp from the hammer blows by resting it firmly on a square-shouldered block - upon pain of shearing off the ramp screws.

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[williamlayton]

Thanks Rangr
Good info.
Any other suggestions for the front sight besides the Williams fiber optics?
Blessings

[Rangr44]

Pay your money, and take your choice - all replacement front sight blades are approx the same cost, whether they be a F.O. (FireSight, Tru-Gl0, Hi-Viz, etc) in a large or small bead size; an Ivory bead (Lyman, Marbles, Williams, etc) in 1/16" or 3/32"; or a Gold bead (Lyman, Marbles, Williams, etc) in 1/16" or 3/32".

These type sights are generally useful for hunting, and the faster shooting required.

The F.O,'s are very visible for those with poor eyesight and/or those hunting in those pre-dawn & pre-dusk times, and in dark/shaded areas like swamps. They have a tendency to glare in direct/bright sunlight.

GB's are good, but not readily visible under all hunting conditions - and are best if flat-faced or with a flat, angled face - ala sourdough patridge style.

IB's show well in most conditions, unless the shot is a long one over a snow (white) background.

If the front sight selection is for the more deliberate target shooting, ILO hunting, a plain black square post or small bead works best for small groups.

Both MidwayUSA & Brownells offer a nice selection of most all the above front sights.


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[williamlayton]

Rangr
Good post.
Do you have any/much concern with fibeoptics on this rifle--durability speaking?
Blessings

[navylawdog]

So did they make the trapper model with a 20" barrel? I thought the trapper model had a 16" barrel? Maybe this question asked by Mr. Layton would help me figure out what the heck mine is as well because I too haven't been able to figure it out.

Navylawdog

[williamlayton]

It is not a Trapper or a Ranger.
See Info needed--the first question.
I know this is confusing---it is for me.
Blessings

[Rangr44]

[So did they make the trapper model with a 20" barrel?] - Nope.  Modern Winchester Trappers are all 16"; 1894-1934's weren't called "Trappers" by anyone except collecters, and had barrels as short as 12"

[Do you have any/much concern with fibeoptics on this rifle--durability speaking?] - No - But then, I also don't try to beat game into submission with my rifles, and try not to fall w/them or drop them, lean them against vehicles, etc, etc, either.

FYI - Generally, modern Winchester Model 94's fall into a couple of different catagories:
Carbine - 20" round bbl, full-length mag, straight-grip walnut or Laminated stock
SaddleRingCarbine - A Carbine w/saddle ring on left receiver wall
Trapper - 16" round bbl, full-length mag, straight-grip walnut stock
Rifle - 24" round bbl, 2/3 length mag, pistol-gripped walnut or synthetic stock
Ranger - An economy Carbine, w/non-walnut wood stock.

Some commemoratives had differing barrel lengths and/or had octagonal bbls.

There were a few models, with fancy names (like "End of Trail"/"Packer"/"Legacy), made in the last few years (2003-2006) before Winchester discontinued the M-94 that were simply variations on the basic models. Some of these had half-round/half-octagon barrels.

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