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« on: November 13, 2008, 10:52:36 AM »
is there alot of ground squirrels out there

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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 03:37:04 PM »
Depends on what you mean by a lot.  I fired 3500 rounds of 17 Hornady Mach 2 and the wife fired just over 2000 rounds of .22LR at them last year.









We call them gophers up here.  They are Richardson Ground squirrels.

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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 06:50:04 PM »
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I'm not for sure if ground squirrels are guilty too, but prairie dogs are known to carry the flea that carries buebonic plague. I try not to touch dead dogs, and am even starting to wonder how wise it is to lie over a prairie dog mound in the prone.

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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 03:26:20 AM »
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I can understand your concern about plague and such.  But read the warnings very carefully. The warnings are to not pick up dead animals you find in the wild. They are not talking about healthy animals you kill. 

During my years as a trapper I collected blood samples to identify any possible plague infected animals for the Oregon State Health Department.  They gave specific instructions about what to look for and what to avoid. Basically if the animal population is healthy you won't find plague.  When plague infected fleas get in a rodent population the rodents die very quickly.  Right after the animal dies from the plague the fleas start looking of a new host. This is when/how the disease is spread. If you find dead rodents in the field leave them alone.

If you kill an animal in the field and you see fleas crawling all over it, don't touch it.   
 
We live with these ground squirrels, they are every where. Yet we aren't all dying up here from plague.  Isolated incidents do occur, but that is because the infected populations of rodent are also isolated.

If you are hunting prairie dogs and there are healthy animals running all over you don't need to worry a great deal about plague. If you go to a Dog town that in the past have been viable active town and you are not seeing very many animal's and finding carcasses get out.   

The University of Alberta recently released a study that said plague has not been found in Richardsons Ground Squirrel since the early 1950's.

This plague warning is about like the warning you see on the barrel of a Ruger rifle warning about the hazards of shooting or the warning label that comes on a bullet molds about the danger of lead poisoning.  It's meant to scare you out of taking part in the related activities. Do you get the subliminal message.

This applies to your beloved Prairie Dogs also. The warning is real, but grossly exaggerated and vastly misunderstood. Plague is not not running rampant through out the rodent populations out here. It exist to be sure, and caution will keep you safe.






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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 07:47:44 AM »
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Thanks for the info, I know that most all of the hazard warnings are way overplayed, almost every time someone knows real facts about some big hazard I find out the hazard isn't nearly as bad as made out to be.I can't believe it, but I hear that Nebraska is having trouble selling deer licenses because people are scared of chronic wasting disease. Thanks 24 hour a day news and lawyers.

That a martini action in your pics? looks like a rifle to be proud of.

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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 10:10:37 AM »
thanks for yourpics, how do you find the spots to hunt them out there

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Re: ground chcuks
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 03:49:21 PM »
You can drive around an knock on doors and ask permission.

If you are not from around here, do some internet research before you come. We could start by googling ground squirrels to find out where they are.

Since we are talking Montana we'll skip straight to the predominiate ground squirrel in Montana the Richardson Ground Squirrel. We call them Gophers

The first hit I got on google was this one. http://people.uleth.ca/~michener/main.htm  Read through this  and you will learn a lot about the Richardson Ground squirrel but most importantly where they range. http://people.uleth.ca/~michener/habitat_range.htm

Now that you have a general idea where they range you can look for place to hunt. 

Back to Google and look for County extension agents, in Montana look here http://extn.msu.montana.edu/localoffices.asp.  Look for the county's that are in the range listed above.  Call the  extension agent in the area you are interested and aske them to refer you to some one in the area with gopher problems so you can come out an hunt.  They will give you names of local farmers who have gopher problems.  Gvie those folks a call and set your self up to shoot gophers.

Once you get here, to locate specific propereties or to identify the owner of a piece of land use this website  http://gis.mt.gov/

Good luck and briong lots of ammo.