lubing paper patch bullets

[john777]

I am thinking of trying to paper patch bullets for my 45-120 and would like to know how you lube them....Can you do so with just some
lube on your fingers? Also do all paper patch bullets have to have a cup base for the tail of the paper to go into?.I can see from reading
some of the post there is a lot to learn on the subject...

Can anyone direct me to a good place to get a paper patch bullet mold as well..I have not yet slugged the bore so am not sure of the
diameter..Lets say it is .458 what diameter bullet should I be using for the PP ?  Thanks-John

[jpuke]

The best reference you're going to find is "The Paper Jacket" by Paul Matthews.  I pretty much follow it to the letter and get good results.  The lube he recommends is 55%/45%  beeswax/vaseline (or vice versa, I can't quite remember because I haven't made the lube in about 2 years -  it lasts so long)

I shoot 2" groups out of my Ruger #1 45-70 without much effort using the RCBS 405-45-FN mould.  I wrap them in 9# onionskin, lube, size, add a little bit more lube and then load.  Bullets are cast from almost pure lead (some tin added) and measure .458-9" before sizing.

I'm looking forward to getting a deer this year with this load.

[John Boy]

Paper Source ... http://www.thepapermillstore.com/product.php?productid=9304

[crow_feather]

jpuke,

Are you loading with black powder/substitute, or are you loading with smokeless powder?  I would think that the Ruger wouldn't have the same twist as a black powder cartridge rifle.

Does the book, THE PAPER JACKET discuss black powder cartridges, or more modern paper patching?   If it discusses black powder cartridges, I would like to find the book.

THKS

CF

[crow_feather]

John777,

Besides the lube disc, you do need to lube the paper patch in order to get it in the cartridge case without tearing the patch.  Rub the lube onto the patch in the same direction that the patch was rolled onto the bullet.

Buffalo Arms sells all sorts of moulds for paper patch, (paper patched moulds are about twice the price of a regular mould).  The store was started by a black powder cartridge rifle shooter and they know a bit about what they sell.

The bullets are both cupped and flat.  If you decide to compete, I believe the flat base are allowed in competition.

Some books say to use .458 diameter bullets (after being patched) and some state to use bullets patched to bore diameter (.450)

Buffalo Arms sells swaged and cast bullets in both sizes so that you can try each before you get a mould.  They also sell pretty good patch paper.

C F

[Kragman71]

Hello
I tried different lubes for my PPB's,including Paul Matthew's special mix.
Now,I just use Alox.
Frank

[Lead pot]

John777.

For me to type up on what will help you getting started would take me for ever to get done. My hunt and peck makes my mind wander and I for get what I'm saying
This man lives shooting the PP bullets, he knows what he is talking about not repeating what he read from people that most likely never loaded a PP round.
It makes no difference as far as the bases go for accuracy I my self prefer the cup base but that is just my liking.
It makes no difference as far as legal for the black powder matches, no copper jackets. Some informal matches do allow gas checks but not many.
I would not lube a patch for the reason that the patch has a good chance to not come off as it leaves the bore and it will give you problems down range.
You having a Ruger #1-#2 ?? I would not patch it to groove diameter, patch it to bore or 1 or 2 thousands under or you will take up most of your case seating the bullet and not enough room for the black powder if that is what you figure on using in that Ruger. You will have to deep seat that bullet so you can get it chambered if it is patched to .458. The farther the bullet is past the case mouth the better chance the accuracy will be.
It makes no difference if your using black or smokeless what the diameter of the patched bullet is, it will still obtrude to fill the groove.

Here is a place for the PP mould, I have six from them and they are as good as the bullets I swage.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,43.html

Read Brent's information.
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jessie/PPB/PPB.htm

LP

[glc56]

I used to just wipe a little SPG on the paper before I shot them. Now days I shoot them dry.

glc56