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Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« on: November 21, 2008, 07:47:09 AM »
I've been waiting awhile for a nice older Model 10 2" to clear the pawnshop waiting period plus my ten-day buyer waiting period and had lost track of when I could pick it up, so I dropped by my favorite gunshop here in San Diego, hoping I'd get lucky.

The place was a riot of men crowding the counter, which itself was pretty much bereft of anything interesting.  No one was bothering to haggle, paperwork was being filled out at three or four different places (this isn't a huge shop, folks), but the old guy that seems to work there mostly to hang out with other gun guys was available to at least tell me when I should come by (next Tuesday).  Then he got caught up in the swarm too and was swept away.

We all figure this is part of the NRA-induced panic at the election of soon-President Obama.  Whether that's justified or not, we'll find out eventually.  But in the mean time there are lots of people (only men, I've observed) either adding to their arsenals or, better yet, buying guns for the first time. 

I'm hopeful that this bunch of new buyers will become shooters, marksmen, responsible owners, thoughtful parents, enthusiasts and, if they are not already, political activists with an understanding of what "this gun stuff" and the rest of The Bill of Rights is really about.

It was really encouraging to see all this happening.  It was also a downer to find that there wasn't anything left on the shelves of any interest to me personally.  Oh well...

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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 08:09:36 AM »
We all figure this is part of the NRA-induced panic at the election of soon-President Obama.  Whether that's justified or not, we'll find out eventually. 

I've been surprised by the number of people asking me about guns these days and the people who are out buying them that basically just want one to have one.  They'll be lucky if they ever shoot it 2 or 3 times, but they'd just like to have one.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that this gun buying panic was induced by the NRA.  I've been a member for years, and nobody called me, wrote me, emailed me or contacted me in any way telling me to go buy guns.  There's no way to blaim this on the NRA.

People just know what's in the pipeline and headed their way.  Years from now people will say remember when you could just go out and buy........  My big panic purchase is going to be a 22LR and the NRA didn't tell me to do it.

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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 08:14:53 AM »
Try and look for an assault rifle.  You can't even find them online right now, unless you wanna pay through the nose.  I went into a couple of well stocked gun shops lately, and it wasn't just the guns, it was the realoading supplies, the ammo, everything out the door.  Good thing I went in for some cleaning supplies... those they had....  just not the bullets that I needed. 
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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 08:28:09 AM »
I was shocked when my local gander mountain had plenty of H335, H322, and other 223 powders on the shelf last night.  The internet makes you believe that nothing is left out there, but I've seen a few rays of light here and there.  I also stocked up on the H335.

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2008, 08:31:12 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081120/pl_politico/15835

President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team is asking potential appointees detailed questions about gun ownership, and firearms advocates aren’t happy about it.

The National Rifle Association has denounced the move, which has already led one Republican senator to consider legislation aimed at ensuring a president can’t use an applicant’s gun ownership status to deny employment.

It’s just one question on a lengthy personnel form — No. 59 on a 63-question list — but the furor over the query is a vivid reminder of the intensity of support for Second Amendment rights and signals the scrutiny Obama is likely to receive from the ever-vigilant gun lobby.

Obama’s transition team declined to go into detail on why they included the question, suggesting only that it was done to ensure potential appointees were in line with gun laws.

“The intent of the gun question is to determine legal permitting,” said one transition aide.

But even some Democrats and transition experts are baffled by the inclusion of the question.

Tucked in at the end of the questionnaire and listed under “Miscellaneous,” it reads: “Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.”

Paul Light, professor of public service at New York University, said there was no such question for potential appointees when President George W. Bush took office in 2000.

“It kind of sticks out there like a sore thumb,” Light said.

He expressed uncertainty over why it was included but surmised it was out of an abundance of caution, a desire to avoid the spectacle of a Cabinet-level or other high-ranking appointee who is discovered to have an unregistered handgun at home.

“It’s the kind of thing that, if dug out, could be an embarrassment to the president-elect,” Light said.

Clay Johnson, deputy director of management at the Office of Management and Budget and the head of Bush’s 2000 transition, also didn’t quite understand the purpose of the question.

“It could be their way to say to prospects that they will have to answer all these questions sooner or later, so be prepared,” Johnson observed.

Matt Bennett, a veteran campaign operative who did a stint at Americans for Gun Safety and who now works for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way, was equally befuddled.

“It strikes me as overly lawyerly,” he said, noting that only a small percentage of guns owned by adults are ever used improperly.

Only half-joking, Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) alluded to the shooting accident involving Vice President Dick Cheney, suggesting the query could be a better-safe-than-sorry measure.

“Given the behavior of the vice president under the last administration, you may want to know these things,” Ryan said.

On a more serious note, Ryan suggested that the new president was being “very, very thorough” in his approach.

An Obama ally and pro-gun Democrat from a blue-collar region of Ohio, Ryan dismissed the notion that the inclusion of such a question would do any political harm to the incoming president.

But other gun rights supporters want Obama to know the question has raised their antennae.

“It’s very odd and very concerning to put out a question like that,” said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), adding that it may also be “unprecedented.”

The freshman senator, who is up for reelection in 2010, had his campaign organization send an e-mail to supporters this week, pledging to enact legislation to bar federal hiring discrimination on the basis of gun ownership.

“Barack Obama promised change, and this is proof positive that we are going to see some of the most liberal change in our nation’s history,” wrote DeMint’s campaign in the e-mail.

DeMint conceded it was unrealistic to try to get a bill on the matter through during the lame duck session this week.

Still, it’s the sort of symbolic issue that may provide a political opening for Republican members of Congress from conservative-leaning states to contrast themselves with the new Democratic administration.

“I want him to know that we’re looking for areas we can work with him but also looking for areas of concern that we want to let him know we’re going to fight on,” DeMint said.

The NRA, the gun-rights group that spent millions to defeat Obama, only to see him easily carry sportsmen-heavy states such as Michigan and Pennsylvania, is signaling that it intends to keep up the fight.

“Barack Obama and his administration are showing their true colors and true philosophy with regard to the Second Amendment,” said Chris Cox, the NRA’s top political official. “It shows what we’ve been saying all along — this guy doesn’t view the Second Amendment as a fundamental constitutional right.”

Cox said the group had put the word out to their members on the question.

Bennett, though, argued that approach would have little resonance.

“The real question is whether he’s doing harm to the broader image of Democrats on guns, and the answer is probably no,” he said. “It may gin up 350,000 hard-core NRA types, but it won’t really bother 65 million other gun owners.”
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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2008, 10:35:34 AM »
Yes there is a run on guns and ammo of course with regional variation.   I've seen women in my local store buying handguns more than regularly. Now in my state you need a permit to purchase through your local law enforment office.  Takes about 5 to 10 days to get it and then you can buy any time during the year so long a you don't become convicted of a felony or become metally unstable, etc.   Some kinds of ammo are not available others have a fine supply.  Ye also have to shop around at different stores big and small.  Hey the buying and selling help keep the economy going.  And think if things don't get as back as we think they might, well there should be some very good firearms buys in the future. Saw the employment question thing earlier today.  What a load of crap, guess I won't be working in the new adminstration any time soon.  Oh well I'll wait for my handout!! NOT!

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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2008, 09:05:07 AM »
Teddy12b said, "...I don't know where you're getting the idea that this gun buying panic was induced by the NRA.  I've been a member for years, and nobody called me, wrote me, emailed me or contacted me in any way telling me to go buy guns.  There's no way to blaim this on the NRA."

Me too with the NRA for the last forty or so years.  Sometimes membership lapsed, as when I was stationed in Asia for several years and for awhile when I simply lost interest in shooting.  But during this campaign I've been getting at least one email a day from them urging me to specifically vote against President-Elect Obama and about a mailer a week.  As far as I'm concerned, that's all junk mail, so I delete it or drop it in the trash bin at the post office.  (Feel free to presume whatever you like about how I voted, by the way - you'll probably be wrong.)

My problem isn't with the NRA opposing a candidate that threatens the Second Amendment - that's what I pay them for and expect them to do.  My problem is with the way they do it.  Every editor's page in "The American Rifleman" is a political diatribe (c'mon folks - if we're members, you can pretty much assume we're not the ones that need convincing), every email is an appeal to fear, facts might be right but they are selective and out of context, and there's hardly any appeal to reason, only to adrenaline.

That single comment I made in the original post was an aside - it was only indirectly related to the point, which is that tons of folks are joining our merrye band and we should tutor, mentor and, most importantly, welcome them.  The NRA spread panic at the thought of a President Obama, and that panic is at least indirectly responsible for all these folks out buying up guns.  I guess the in the end, that's a good thing.

-Don

P.S.  Actually Corbanzo, I was looking at an assault rifle (as much of one as can be had legally in Caliifornia - M1A, probably) and have decided to wait - at some point lots of these new buyers will probably decide they need money more than rifles and there could be a great used market coming up.

 

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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2008, 04:32:12 PM »
"NRA-induced panic at the election of soon-President Obama."

How is this a NRA-induced panic?????  Biden told us during the primary debates he was the author of the original (so-called) assault weapons ban and proud of it.

Obama told us he did NOT support the Heller effort against D.C. until after the decision at which time he claimed he supported the 2nd.  He has a LONG history of anti-gun support and has ADMITTED since being elected anti-gun is high on his activity list - even took it OFF his web site once it was quoted.

Sorry, its NOT NRA induced.  It IS Obama/Biden induced!

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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2008, 01:38:36 AM »

We all figure this is part of the NRA-induced panic at the election of soon-President Obama.  Whether that's justified or not, we'll find out eventually.  But in the mean time there are lots of people (only men, I've observed) either adding to their arsenals or, better yet, buying guns for the first time. 

-Don


No it is not the NRA-induced panic. It is people finally realising they may not get guns available or had to get after he takes office.

The people that I have talked to are afraid of what might happen, and they may have to defend themselves.

I welcome all the new gun owners, I encourage them to join the NRA, so they get information on what is happening.
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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 03:22:28 AM »
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I was looking at an assault rifle (as much of one as can be had legally in Caliifornia - M1A, probably) and have decided to wait - at some point lots of these new buyers will probably decide they need money more than rifles and there could be a great used market coming up.


kinda where I'm at Don.......since I have most of the guns I want or can afford, I'm gonna sit on what I have and speculate. Actually, this may be a good time to unload some of my guns I don't use or like. This scenario reminds me of the Harley shortage half a dozen years ago where folk that never rode a motorcycle paid thousands over MSRP to get a Harley for fear they would never be able to get one......then after they dropped it a coupla times and realized that they weren't "Here comes Bronson" it sat in the garage. Now the bottom has dropped out of the market and there are a ton of low mileage bikes out there cheap.

BTW.......I was at my local gun shop last week and altho business was brisk(the week before gun deer season) their shelves were full and there were several assaullt type rifles in stock. The owner said he still sells 'em at the same mark-up as before the election because he feels this is a temporary situation and he does not want to alienate his regular customers by jackin' up his prices to take advantage of the situation. The advantages of living in a small, rural midwestern town.
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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 07:37:09 AM »
I know one thing small concealed carry handguns such as the Kel-Tecs, Skyys, Bursas Thunders, etc. are getting very hard to find.  Do a Gun Genie search for any the above guns and you won't find a one in stock anywhere.   
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Re: Dropped by the gun shop. Good grief!
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2008, 02:32:50 AM »
I was lucky.  I put a nice used AR15 on layaway (only $600) about the end of Sept, just in case.  I'll pick it up tomorrow.  I'd always wanted one but it was never high on my priority list.  But now I will have mine.  Even ordered a few mags the end of October (when you could still get them).  I don't need 50 like some guys seem to, I was very happy with 3 mags for it.  That seems like enough for anything I plan to do.  44 Man
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 02:15:29 PM »
The last thing we need to do is bicker among ourselves about who induced "gun-buying". 

And don't kid yourself about what the second amendment will look like after obama---You won't even recognize it.  Look at his anti-gun record.  He's not about to change into a benevolent ruler except in your dreams. 
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