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Offline bilmac

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The Word for today
« on: November 24, 2008, 04:28:10 AM »
My Bible reading for today included:   

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

But then the Proverb for today 28: 12 When the righteous triumph, there is great elation: but when the wicked rise to power, men go into hiding.

It has always been a puzzle to me how our founding fathers decided that enough was enough and tell King George to get lost. These men were definately men of God who knew the word very well. And it is hard to deny that this Nation has been blessed by God. So how did our fore-fathers know? What was the trigger?

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Re: The Word for today
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 02:57:14 PM »
Amen bilmac ,i have often pondered that myself , I think GOD looked at the world and he wanted a place for free and brave Men .
Every where in the World then was Serfdom ,Kingdom Monarchy Socialism's.
He had long range plans for America ,and he needed brave men who could not only live by their convictions ,but fight for them also.
And like every thing else he sets the stage ,and leaves it to us to mess it up.
He tolerated Rome , and he saved Egypt many times also , but we tend to always realize we have screwed up when it is to little to late.
He also has bailed out America many times, sparing us from what we are going through now.
But there comes a time ,that after being taken for granted and abandoned ,he steps back and says ( Now if you want it, you will need to fight for it ,show me now ,i showed you ).
The founding fathers were enlightened you can be sure , and back then as now you couldn't go out and just say GOD spoke to me.
And those who have admitted it say that he tells us that he will guide our steps.
And he sends people who are among us ensuring the leaders stay strong , and guided in the cause and the direction GOD intends them to go.
Old Biblical tablets speak of these people , so do the scrolls taken from the library of Alexander before Rome burned it down ,they didn't leave such a valuable treasure in that trust me.
The burning was in fact to cover up the fact that Rome stole these scrolls.
The Roman Catholic church calls them Histadus , the old Baptist faith calls theirs Domitican .
And they are here now , watching , looking for one who will unite the people of this Country, to once again cast Tyranny and  oppression aside and gain his blessing once more.
GOD loves America ,he worked very hard to ensure that she would be the beacon of freedom to the oppressed in the world.
And he would never abandon the souls and memory's of so many men and women who died praying to him that he make them an instrument of his will against the evil that would destroy the Country that they died for so that we may live.
What finally pushed them to take a step that would get them hung as traitors ,was the thought of death being better than living the life of a subject or slave.
And ensuring with their blood that their children would not live a life such as that ,or they would be dead and not ashamed that they did nothing, or not alive to see it happen.
It is not treason to speak of secession , in trying to take GODs blessing to a place where it will be safe once again, and flourish anew by remembering the mistakes ,so they do not happen again.
These men will surly have GOD on their side ,for it is in his name we will take these risk so that we can speak his name aloud and not be ridiculed or jailed for it.
The place we see now let down its guard , to say GOD punishes us is wrong , he simply leave us on our own because we think we are better that way.
This leaves the door open for one other to enter unopposed , and it can only enter if we ask it to.
Change we need , it now has full rein and is unopposed .  
Many times in the past he has been welcomed to come in and be the one to Harold the coming of his master.
Each time he failed ,for men carried the word of GOD in their hearts ,and fought and died to send him back to where he came from.
It is that time again i am afraid to say , and those he sends are among us now ,as they were in 1776 ensuring that things are done in accourdance.
And this is among Men ,between Men ,all of free will, and in their choices made of that will on their own to live free ,or live in darkness watching what real men built for them so they may endur, fall into decay.
To rid him from this land ,and free our brothers of his lies ,we must first be strong ourselves, and secure a place for the faithful and the just, as well as the young ,the old ,and the innocent .  So we make talk aloud and and speak the word of GOD and love of Country that it will give us strength and the faith in what lays ahead ,in that once more we are the greatest generation ,and not the cowards that let it all fall in order to save our sorry skins.
In this time i Command ,That you take the Secular to Jerusalem .
There you rid the Holy City of the Scourge of Islam , Make the streets run red with the Blood of those who wish to wash Israel and Christianity from the face of the Earth.
Constantine III

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Re: The Word for today
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 04:02:35 PM »
As a Christian (albeit far from a perfect one..I admit that up front) I have pondered the same issue.


The first Issue I had to resolve was the priority of obedience.  In a fallen world it is impossible to be perfectly obedient at all times.  There are many "catch 22s" in this world.  In those cases our only choice is to choose the lesser of two evils or the higher of two goods.
 
I do agree that we are to obey our authorities and are instructed to do so by our Christian teachings.  However,  I do not see anywhere in scripture where obeying authroity is given as the ultimate obedience in light of injustice. 

There are higher principles that the Christian is to obey.  The principles of Justice and Righteousness come to mind.  When we are in situations where we see people being oppressed and treated unjustly, the greater good is to work or fight for Justice even at the cost of civil disobedience.

The second issue I had to resolve is Exactly what is our government in this country?

We do not live under a king or a noble aristocracy as Phalanx pointed out. There is no hierarchy of "anointed" royal ancestry set over us as a king or emperor. Although most of our legislators and judges have woefully forgotten that fact.

We live under a representative republic who's law is based on a foundational document, Our Constitution.    This republic is set up in such a way that "we the people" are empowered by the Constitution to rule ourselves through the representatives WE elect to "enact" the rule of law set forth in that founding document.

"We the people" are the rulers of this country. We hire, through election, (and pay taxes to pay their salary and benefits) legislators and administrators to do the footwork of that self rule.  We are the employer... They work for us! That is why it is called PUBLIC SERVICE in this country.  Another fact our SERVANTS have woefully forgotten.   

This is why every soldier's first oath is to protect the Constitution from enemies abroad and "at home". Their second oath is to obey the President of the United States.  This implies they day may come when the military has to disobey or maybe even apprehend/arrest the president in order to protect the Constitution.

This principle in our system of self governance is exactly why the Second Amendment is in our Constitution. Because the day may come when "we the people" have no other choice but to toss our SERVANTS out of the vineyard by force.

Because that is the system of government we have, I have come to firmly beleive God honors our fighting to keep our constitutional rights safe and justice in tact...even if our only choice left is a violent one.

The greater disobedience is to set by and watch as our Servants chisel away at the rights we are guaranteed by the Constitution without reprimand.  That is being a poor steward of your government. 

I do beleive violence should be the absolute last resort. Vote, petition,demonstrate, heck even riot first. That said, If all other resources and methods have been exhausted and the people's rights are still being oppressed, I do not believe it is sin to take up arms and defend the constitution against tyranny.     

God bless,

Ray