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Offline petemi

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Scope base on a .410
« on: December 07, 2008, 01:33:48 AM »
A question for Tim or anyone else who's tried it.  Do you think Super Weld would hold a scope base on a .410?  I posted this here because Tim has experience with Super Weld.


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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 03:48:08 AM »
What is "superweld"? ???

Sounds neat, but I never heard of it....
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 03:49:41 AM »
Pete, why not drill and tap? 

Even if you could only do one hole THEN glue it down it would be FAR better than glue along.....

 Smiths here get about 20$ per hole, so its not expensive.  If we where closer I would do it for you.  ;D

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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2008, 03:55:32 AM »
i think he was recommending an epoxy called supermend(i need to find some) and was using it to glue in a shim during barrel fitting process...
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2008, 04:02:34 AM »
wrong..looked in FAQ...it's superweld...sorry
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2008, 04:09:08 AM »
it's called Superweld Epoxy Paste...made by Goop....36,000 psi compressive strength
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2008, 05:05:01 AM »
The FAQs advise not to drill and tap a shotgun barrel.
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2008, 05:13:08 AM »
In my part of the world, it's up to $30 a hole to drill and tap. :(  DP
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2008, 05:30:07 AM »
If properly applies a modern adhesive would be more than up to the task of holding a scope mount on a .410 barrel. Heck door hinges are glued on to the body on cars & trucks and have been for years.


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Smiths here get about 20$ per hole, so its not expensive.  If we where closer I would do it for you.

if you say so? that means 3 holes will cost more than the entire barrel,
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2008, 05:50:36 AM »
Pete,

If you prep and clean both metals well, it would probably work fine, there in lies the problem where most DIYs fail tho, getting both surfaces prepped good. The .410 has plenty of metal to drill and tap, so that would be my first choice, even H&R(Gardner did anyway) will drill and tap a .410 Survivor barrel, so I'd expect they would do a Pardner too if that's whatcha got, wouldn't hurt to give them a call.

If you want to try the SuperWeld, I'd rough both surfaces with sandpaper or a dremel sanding drum, degrease and slap some epoxy on. Be sure the metal is at room temp before applying the epoxy, their spec is 60º-85º. The .410 wouldn't need it, but on any heavy kicker I'd use a recoil lug to prevent shearing forces from happening during recoil, the shear strength of epoxy isn't as high as it's compressive spec, 2700psi for SuperWeld, JB Stick is only 800-1000PSI, but there may be other epoxies that have better shear strength tho.

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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2008, 08:23:57 AM »
Thanks guys, I appreciate your help.  Pete
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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 08:35:35 AM »
Quote from: petemi on December 07, 2008, 05:05:01 AM
The FAQs advise not to drill and tap a shotgun barrel.

 Pete,
 As Tim already posted, there is PLENTY of steel there to drill and tap. HOLEY COW.. I just went and looked... There is more meat on a .410 barrel than on most of my rifle calibers!!!

Like I said, wish I was closer to you...

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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 12:08:34 PM »
Me too, CW.  Thanks :) :) :)

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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2008, 06:47:32 AM »
I had my 45/410 drilled and tapped, same amount of metal as the standard 410. Id have the smith look at it but it worked just fine for me.  and am planning on doing it to mine as well.



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Re: Scope base on a .410
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2008, 06:56:55 AM »
Just have it drilled and tapped and be done with it.
It's such an easy job that it's not worth messing with epoxies to hold the base on.
410 barrels are very thick in the chamber area, thicker than alot of the rifle barrels.

I had my 410 drilled and tapped for shooting slugs and loved it.

My 410 barrel has since been "sacrificed" for a project. ;)

I plan on getting a new youth 410 barrel and drilling and tapping for scope.
They make nice little carry guns for small game/ varmints.



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