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side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« on: December 07, 2008, 03:49:40 AM »
I have a side by side kassnar 20 gauge with 3 inch chambers that I wanted to use for turkey hunting. I patterned it an the left barrel shot about 3 inches to the left and the right barrel shot 3 inches to the right, this was at 25 yds. Can anything be done to get this gun to shoot to the sights?
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 04:41:27 AM »
That's actually pretty darn close and closer than most shoot to the sights. So no I doubt you'll improve on that.


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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 04:57:59 AM »
Most doubles are built so the tubes converge at 40 yards then cross. Cost of production and sale price does effect how much effort is put into doing this though.

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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 06:19:32 AM »
What load were you using?  What was the pattern at 25 yards?  What is your maximum distance to take a turkey?

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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 01:07:00 PM »
Doug, I was using 20 gauge federal 3" mag. turkey loads #5 shot 1-5/16 ounce shot. I would like to shoot out to 35 to 40 yards.
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 03:43:47 PM »
 I have not herd of a kassnar shotgun is it older and what kind of choke are shooting in it thanks

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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 04:15:26 AM »
At 25 yards or the longer ranges the pattern is more than large enough for 3" to 4" to not cause a miss.


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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 04:28:41 AM »
 Recoil tends to throw the right barrel to the right and left to left, to correct for this the barrels are aligned inward, a laser bore sighter will show that they actually cross each other. This alignment works only for the standard load for which the gun was regulated. That Federal load is the heaviest 20 gauge load I've heard of, therefore produces more recoil and deflects the gun more than the loads for which it was regulated. I've found that most 20's produce a tighter pattern with 2 3/4" loads than with the 3" shells and I'd bet a 2 3/4" load will shoot to point of aim. If you were to fire some of the 5/8 ounce rifled slugs you will probably find they cross fire, right barrel shooting left and left to the right. That is because the light slugs are much faster than shot loads so they get out of the barrel before recoil has moved the gun so far. Over & unders have a somewhat similar problem except that both barrels recoil in the same direction and the difference is just one of amplitude.
With all of that said, I doubt that 3" will be a problem, it is a shotgun afterall.
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 09:33:40 AM »
coyotejoe, I wanted to use this gun for turkey hunting and thought that shooting 3" to the side would be a problem. I will try a 2 3/4 load and see what happens.
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 05:21:58 AM »
Well how big is your pattern at 25 yards? I would expect at least 18" diameter so if the center is 3" off the point of aim you still have it well covered, or am I missing something here?
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 08:37:44 AM »
I didn't measure the pattern but I was shooting at a 3" orange dot and didn't have as many BB's in the dot as I thought i should have ( I don't remember how many). At 25yds would the pattern be as big as 18"?
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Re: side by side kassnar 20 gauge
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 05:45:50 AM »
Yes, I would expect so. The long established standard for shotgun pattern testing is 40 yards, where a full choke is expected to put 70% of its' pellets inside a 30" circle. That is for all gauges except the .410 bore which is tested at 25 yards. It's kind of hard to say exactly what the "total" pattern diameter may be. Normally, a full choke gun will have a very dense pattern center, thinning rapidly as you move outward from the center.
  I do a sideline business cutting jug chokes (recess chokes) in shotgun barrels, greatly improving the performance of cylinder bored muzzleloaders or guns that have lost a bit of barrel. When I pattern test I use two concentric circles, the standard 30" diameter and a 21" which has one half the area of the 30". I just finished a 12 gauge barrel which threw 85% in the 30" and that broke down to 62% in the inner circle and 23% in the outer ring. You see there are roughly three times as many pellets in the center as in the outer ring. Then there are always a few "strays", deformed pellets which go way out there, so it is hard to measure the total spread.
  I would think that at 25 yards even the fringe of your pattern would be deadly. Our Thanksgiving turkey was provided by a friend who took it with his 20 gauge jug choked flintlock fowler at about 25 yards. He got a bit excited and didn't hold enough off the body so it got a bit mangled but still tasted fine! ;D
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