Too much recoil?

[mcwoodduck]

Graybeard,
It's not only thier fingers and toes but also mine and yours if I we standing next to him at the range as a safety officer or as a shooter.  I look at over or under pressure loads that were purposely done so as a drunk driver.  Sure they could kill themselves but they are likely to kill or hurt me as well.  Also the over stress factor of a firearm that may hold together for him and his screwed up loads but come apart with factory loads in someone elses hands if he or his family sell off his firearms after he is no longer using them.
Sure if he shoots by himself and is burried with his over stressed guns after then not a problem, but the standards were set for each type of firearm and caliber to protect everyone.  When they say for use in.... they would not print it if they ment all firearms.

[inluvwithsara]

Here is a great article from Jeff Quinn's Gun Blast called "Maximum Loads"
http://gunblast.com/MaxLoads.htm

[Sverre A.]

"It's not only thier fingers and toes but also mine and yours if I we standing next to him at the range as a safety officer or as a shooter."

In my case - there will be no other shooters next to me.
 
Well - I have found out that the loads was a bit hard in recoil - but had a very good accuracy (as they have in my SRH) - and as you have understood: I`m in a modus of reduction 

[LarryL]

I had a S&W 629 with 6" barrel and it was not that much fun with the std factory grips. Tried the Pachmeyer Gripper grips and those seemed to be worse as they are narrower across the backstrap and drive into the web of my hand more.  Went to a Ruger SBH with smooth grips and 5-1/2" barrel and absolutely love it.  Even hot Corbon 305 grain penetrators are no big deal.  Your 629 with the 4" barrel will be even whippier in the hand, pounding that double action grip style back into the web of your hand.  Unlike the SA grip that slips a little, you are going to get the whole shebang with the double action grip.

When I got the Ruger SRH in .480 with the Hogue rubber monogrip on it, that also seemed to be a bit stingy on the hand.  I switched to a smooth wood Hogue monogrip, and it is much better.  With bare hands, I find the rubber sticks to your skin and yanks the meat of your hand around.  The smooth wood slips slightly and makes it more user friendly.  With shooting gloves or winter gloves in cold weather, the rubber is better than the wood, but both are easy to shoot with.

All a matter of personal opinion though.  You'll have to try different things for your own shooting style.  Based on my experience with the 629 in 6", I sure wouldn't want to shoot hot loads in one with a 4" barrel!

[EdK]

EdK, velocities can also be increased by lessening the B/C gap along with other deminsions on a revolver.

Yep, that's why a T/C gets better velocity than a S&W - more recoil too!

[Sverre A.]

I think some of you have misunderstood me 

I`m used to heavy recoil - so that`s not the problem  .

I`m not sure that I have been beyond the edge - but the felt recoil is bad - and therefor I want to reduce it.

After ONE SHOT - I feel the same pain/shaking - as after shooting 100 shots.
The recoil touch some nerves which do my arms shaky.

Full loads in 454, 375 JDJ, 44 Mag - is not close to the pain of the recoil with the 4".

When I think back to -80, I found a 4" in the gunshop which was 1 st class. And of course:  I bought it 
But I was used to a 8 3/8". 
My first shot - was near to kick my forehead.

And that was with factory-ammo.

But since -80, I have shot a lot of heavy stuff.

Facts: 310 gr/1330 fps - is nothing for me 

390 gr in a 454 - full powered is like honey compared to the .44 Mag. - 4" 

[Bigeasy]

Ya know what, if the 4 inch Smith is that bad, for what ever reason, sell it.  Get something else you are comfortable with.  You will never shoot it to its / your potential if you are always thinking about the recoil when you are shooting it.   Not to mention you could end up developing a flinch with your other guns.  If you really want a short barrel .44 mag., try a single action.  Recoil is different than a S&W due to the grip style.  It tends to roll in your hand, and spread out the recoil impulse, rather then come straight back into the web of your hand like a S&W.  Good luck........

Larry

[Sverre A.]

I also have short-barreled Ruger`s /Smith`s- with different grips.
 Also longbarreled FA, Ruger and Smith`s.

I really have too many revolvers 

I want to keep this 4" - and I`m sure that I will find out what load I want to use.

It`s simple as that 

(for your information: the last 25 years I have had soooooo many different guns, that I  ........)

[Redhawk1]

I have to agree with Bigeasy, get a single action 44 Mag with a 4 inch barrel.

My Ruger New model Blackhawk in 45 Colt shoot like a dream with my hand loads that are real hot. They are as hot as any hot 44 Mag. The recoil is not bad and very manageable.

I have shot a bunch of short barreled handguns and the only handgun I found that were hard to handle were the ultralight Smith & Wessons in 357 Mag and 44 Mag, even the light weight 45 ACP's were not that fun to shoot.

As stated above, you will never be able to shoot your 4 inch S&W well if you are not comfortable with the recoil of it.

Come with me to the range one time and shoot my 4 inch 500 mag with some of my hot loads, you will think your 44 mag is a pussy cat after that. 

[gl411]

if arms are shakey -- do you have some carpol tunnel ?  Try some bands around your arms like ball players use- any way just lighten the bullet or lighten the charge- 2400 and AA#9 are less in recoil than 296/h110--Hornady recomends so the guy on the phone said- their 200 XTP for white tail with 2400 the 4" is not bad at all-- - unless you go much larger game you will over bulleted for most any deerish type animal...my .2

[vanbuzen9]

Edk has got it, both velocity and weight are directly proportional to recoil.  I had a 8" N-frame classic (full underlug), and it was pleasant to shoot, up until the very highest book loads, especially with the heavier bullets.  I, along with many people here ussually loaded to around 1000-1200 fps.  These loads with the 8" barrel were ok to shoot, limiting my range sessions to 25 rounds. With the max loads, my web of my thumb and pointer finger stung pretty bad, only after a few rounds, thanks to the smith and wesson rubber grips that don't cover the whole back of the grip! I sure wish I still had that gun, it was by far my most accurate pistol (with 44 special swc's).  Darn college books anyways!

-vanbuzen9

[Tom W.]

I find that a single action is worse or me than a D.A. due to the way it recoils. The straight back push from the D.A. doesn't hurt my elbow like the torque I get from a S.A. But then again We are talking about my elbow and tendinitis, rather than wrist pain and shaking...

[blhof]

If you want to keep the gun and shoot it; look into 44 special loads and check out some shock absorbing grips, also shooting gloves are helpful.  I've got a Pachmayer on my 357max that helps when I use the 4" barrel, it's pleasant with the 6", 8", and 10" barrels, but was painful with the 4" before the rubber grip.

[Sverre A.]

I have ended up with H110/20 and Mimek 300 gr/1000 fps - as the load I will use in my 629/4".
 
The recoil is ok, and the accuracy is also ok - but it is better with N110/20 gr/1300 fps.
But that load "kills" me .
 
Two days ago - I should do a final sight-in before my Africa-travel.
 
But after 30 shots my arm shaked like h.....
 
Hmmm?
Was the cause that I had shot 150 the day before?
 
Yesterday I should load new loads with H110/20 gr. - but the powderweight did not stop where it should stop.
 
Then I realized that I had loaded with N110 last time (the powder is heavier) - so now I understand why I got Parkinsons   .
 
Therefor I have to do the sight-in process again!!!!!!
 
I use a Docter-sight, and that sight is sooooo touchy concerned adjustments - that it is no fun to do the sight-in job .

[Mohawk]

   Never worried about recoil with a hunting gun.

[lesmoore]

What would Dirty Harry do?
He said, "A man has to know his limitations."
and he shot '44 specials' in his magnum.
"Do you feel lucky?"

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As I've said to folks before it's your fingers, your eyes and your life you're putting in danger so it's your business not mine but pushing the envelope will backfire or explode on you one of these days. That's from someone who many long years go had a TC .44 magnum come apart in his hands. It was not fun and I not ever intend to let it happen again to me at least.
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[Sverre A.]

"Never worried about recoil with a hunting gun"

With the loads I mentioned - I don`t feel any pleasure at all - at the shootingrange.
Even my hardest .454 - don`t make my arm shaking.
 

When you hunt - you don`t even remember that you have fired