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Offline azshooter

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« on: August 08, 2003, 06:02:23 PM »
Serious question here not trying to start a fight.  Just curious what you find appealing.  My wife bought me a Lyman GPR - traditional look, shoots fantastic.  If I wanted a tack driver I would use my bolt gun.  For a traditional hunt I want a traditional rifle.  

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2003, 06:22:56 PM »
I use both because I enjoy shooting them both. I also have a GPR. Darn fine gun.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2003, 01:20:59 AM »
Why do you like modernized muzzleloaders?"
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In many states there are two zones that separate centerfire shooters from shotgun users in deer hunting season. Ever price a small box of rifled sabot/slugs lately? The premium ones are going for $2.35 a shot.

I can shoot 50 yards farther using a 60-cent missle-shaped bullet in my modern muzzleloader vs a rifled-bore shotgun. That why I prefer a modern muzzleloader.

However, "the most fun" is not from the modern ones -- it's from the traditional side-hammer roundball & patch rifles.
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Offline Dragon31

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2003, 04:14:34 AM »
I don't know about anyone else but I can tell you why I like the Savage over Traditional black powder rifles.  First off I like to hunt and have little time to do so.  I prefer to spend my time in the field rather than cleaning guns.  It really hit me when one cold snowy evening just at the last minute of shooting time I killed a nice buck with a Thompson Center Hawken.  I drug the buck 3/4 of a mile to the truck on a sled (couldn't get the truck near him in the snow), went back got the rifle and went to the barn for the gut'n and skin'n.  Finished that task about mid night, left the deer hang in the barn, washed up went to bed.  Worked the next day, took my son to his ball game and got home late.  Next day worked and finished cut'n up the deer and put'n it in the freezer.  Third day got around to cleaning the smoke pole.  It already had rust forming from being drug through the snow, being warmed up during the day in the truck and freezing during the night in the truck (I had stuck it in the case and forgot about it for almost four days).  Went to a stainless Encore and while it is much better, it still requires cleaning after shooting Black powder or Pryrodex.  In the Savage, shooting smokeless I don't have any of those problems.
As far as someone wanting to do it the traditional way I understand that and I hunt with a recurve bow that I got as a 10 year old, 51 years ago.  I also hunt in other states with an orginal 1886 Winchester and 1893 Marlin.  In short I don't have anything against anyone wanting to hunt with traditional black powder, it is just not for me.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2003, 02:50:18 PM »
Up until 3 years ago I only owned a T/C Renegade.  I would not buy an in-line, they were just not a muzzleloader to me.  Bought an Encore from a friend because the price was right.  Kept my Renegade because I was just going to try this new fangled Encore for fun.  3 years later I have shot the Encore more than I ever shot the Renegade and the Renagade has been sold.  I also use the plop-plop bang method of loading with the pellets and also use sabots which I used to hate.

Bottom line, I think a person should shoot whichever method they enjoy.  I do not promote the in-lines over traditional, it is just personal preference.  For me an in-line is easier to clean and I like the feel of it better.  As far as accuracy, I think my old Renegade would give my Encore a run for its money.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2003, 06:15:26 PM »
:D   If it does not look,smell,and load like a muzzleloader,it will not be hunted with by me,  The in-lines,are for those that want everything..quickley.  Nothing wrong with that,but way to many people want thier life that way.  The in-lines that I have shot,are accurate,but I have no doubts that any of my real rifles will shoot as good as they do,and even better at times.  Dont have any scopes on mine either,except for one,and that is an old timey from the 1860s.  Now..I have run a gun range for many years,and I as of yet I have not seen one of these in-lines shoot an inch at 100 yards,maybe two or three,but not an inch,and do not believe anyone that says thiers does.  I have many claim it,but when it comes down to it.........it aint been done when I say " show me".   The important thing is shoot what you have fun with,and what your personality drags you toward. (that magical inch can be a phantom with a modern bolt also at times)....stay safe.........King :-D  :-D
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2003, 07:12:08 PM »
I am relatively new to muzzleloading and I just bought my first modern muzzleloader.  The reason I bought the in-line (TC Omega)was to make the most of the relatively few deer hunting opportunities that I get.  In PA we have an antlerless season in the fall that lasts for a week in October.  During this season we are allowed to use any muzzleloader provided that it is .44 caliber or larger.  Up until the 2002 we could only use flintlocks.  Last fall the first weekend of the fall season it poured down rain.  Hunting with the flinter was a real losing proposition.  This year nothing is going to keep me out of the woods.
I still like hunting with my flintlock in our december season because the woods are really pretty that time of year and I get them to myself.  I think that's the real reason why the traditionalist have always lobbied so hard in PA to keep us hunting with the flintlock, and it's hard to blame them.  My 2 cents.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2003, 09:11:01 PM »
Quote from: KING
: Now..I have run a gun range for many years,and I as of yet I have not seen one of these in-lines shoot an inch at 100 yards,maybe two or three,but not an inch,and do not believe anyone that says thiers does.  I have many claim it,but when it comes down to it.........it aint been done when I say " show me".  


I thought moderators were supposed to be "moderate"?  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:



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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2003, 04:26:18 AM »
King,

I am new to muzzleloaders. I have a new Encore 209x50 that shot a .75" group(3 shots touching Keyhole fashion), and put eight shots in a 2" bull with most of those in 1". I was shooting the 295 grain powerbelts and two 50 grain pellets of triple 7. I wish I had a scanner to show you the targets. No flaming or arguing intended, just thought you might want the info. My .02. Mike
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2003, 04:36:02 AM »
Rummer, when I started burning black powder 45 years ago all I had was a flintlock. I never had any more trouble in rainy weather than with a caplock. When the really good lock makers finished a lock, they would put powder in the pan, put their finger over the inner end of the pan, and dunk the lock in water. After they wiped the flint and frizzen dry, they expected the lock to work. As for accuracy, I used to win a few more rounds than I lost, while shooting a flintlock against the caplocks.
The new age inlines are fine and dandy, but not miraculous.  You might want to be real careful about betting your paycheck against some old redneck with a Longrifle. :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2003, 04:59:51 AM »
I keep seeing guys referring to "keyhole" groups.  Now that bugs me. ;)  I'm sure you don't really mean the bullets went in wobbling or tumbling, but that is always what keyholing has meant to me.   :eek:

Try "cloverleaf" groups.   :-)
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2003, 05:48:51 AM »
:-D Does not change anything gentleman..........I really cant tell you how many I have observed..............probably over a 100 shooters to be conservative,none have done it..................unless Im there................and I see it.again..I dont believe it.  Been there way to many times to fall for this and I shoot way to much. ...2 to 3 inches is fantastic for minute of deer anytime....stay safe...king
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2003, 02:58:32 PM »
Hey King!

My sis and brother-in-law live in Michigan! If all Michigan shooters shoot like him then it's no wonder you don't believe it!! :D  :-D Shoot Straight! Mike
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2003, 05:38:33 AM »
I am a relatively new hunter, and since I have been paying attention to the sport of muzzleloading, inlines have been available.  I agree, their is a nostalgic feeling that goes along with the traditionalist's hunting style, but I started muzzleloading to enjoy a few extra weeks in the woods, and the extra deer tag.  
     My first love is hunting with a revolver, and my Omega is my favorite long gun.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2003, 03:16:36 PM »
:D  Hey King !!

        Missed you at the rifle range the last couple weekends, should have seen my sub MOA groups I pulled off with my inline, maybe I'll see you there this weekend :)

           Todd G.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2003, 04:43:57 PM »
:-D  :-D Hey turkey!!!!!!!!! Yeah sure......Last time I seen you shoot it was with my .45-120 and a full load of black......4 rounds in 3/4 inch..with my gun none the less.  I still cant walk for more than 100 feet and stand upright.  Give me awhile and we will see.  Stop over so I can thro some darts at ya...............stay safe todd.......King
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