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Offline His lordship.

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Last year I bought my first 1911, it is a RIA brand, nice gun, but with the fields strips the recoil spring scares me.  I push down on the plug at the end of the barrel and rotate the barrel sleeve to relieve the recoil spring and allow the plug to come out.  I am a relatively large fellow with strong hands, but the pressure I have to put on the plug to push it into the gun requires alot of muscle during reassembly, and if I should slip that thing could  bounce around the room, or hit me in the eye which is why I wear safety glasses.

The day I bought it a military veteran told me to use the end of the GI mag to push down on the plug.  Good idea, but that could scratch the  parkerizing on the plug.  Any of you folks have a better idea?

Also, the upper grade competiton 1911's have what appears to be something different from the regular GI plug, and I have heard that you need a barrel wrench to remove the plug and sleeve.  Are they under even more pressure than a GI 1911?

In my younger days I took apart a Marlin Model 60 .22 RF rifle and had the recoil spring hit me in my eye, I fortunately had safety glasses on and it only took a chunk out of my optics, but I am cautious around springs to this day.

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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 06:29:37 PM »
to avoid being struck in the eye by a spring; do not point the spring at your face.

The spring and guide can be removed from the back. Sadly it is much easier to show than tell. Perhaps a better wordsmith than I can tackle that.
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 01:33:01 AM »
Chris:  SharonAnne is right - don't point the dang spring at your eye or look at it straight on when you're trying to disassemble the pistol. 

Easy trick if there is too much interference removing the plug - hold the slide back just a touch with one hand, which takes some of the pressure directly off the bushing, and you can rotate the bushing a bit more easily. 

Re:  "pushing down on the plug with the magazine end - your plug is knurled at the end and I doubt the constant use of a magazine, which is what I use, to depress the plug is going to wear any parkerizing off the plug".  You probably get more wear at the end of the plug from muzzle blast over a period of 20 or so years than from disassembly techniques. 

If you don't want to disassemble the 1911 the way ya oughta there is the technique SharonAnne mentioned and here is how it goes:  You disassemble the same way you disassemble the TT-33 Tokarev  and Type 54-1 Tokarev pistols.  BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - gotcha on that one, although it's true.

However, here is how it is done:  Make dang sure the pistol is empty of boolets and live ammunition; insert empty magazine, draw slide back and lock open with empty mag, remove magazine with pistol locked open.  Hold pistol in right hand and push slide back a tad more with left hand, or grip the front of the slide with your left hand (like you're going to club someone with it) and place your left trigger finger inside the trigger guard to give some leverage to hold the slide back (easy) and push the slide hold-open pin from right to left with right forefinger.  With your big ol left mitt wrapped around the piece to hold the slide in place, pull the barrel retaining pin/slide lock lever out of the gun and then slowly allow the entire slide assembly to move forward - as you are doing that make sure to capture the spring assembly with your left hand to hold it in place and slide the entire slide assembly off the frame.  The recoil spring guide and spring should release tension and you should be able to easily dismantle the complete slide. 

All that being said I believe the easier way is to (1):  make sure the pistol is empty and unloaded; push back slightly on the slide while using the magazine to rotate the barrel bushing off the spring retaining plug - just before the bushing is completely off and the plug attains 'free-flight', put the magazine down, hold the front of the piece in your left hand, hold down the plug with your right thumb and rotate the bushing off the plug end with your left thumb - you have to maintain light pressure on the slide to make it easier to rotate the bushing but then the plug should be under your thumb pressure and you can release it easily.

Do this five times in a row and you will have mastered field disassembly of the 1911A1, gwasshopper.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 07:55:34 AM »
thanks Mikey. I was not up to writing all that. My keyboard time is limited.
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 11:32:06 AM »
If nothing else, get one of these, it'll help in the process.
http://slip2000.com/thumbbuddy.html
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 10:42:09 PM »
SharonAnne:  My pleasure.  Hope all is well.

Lynnie:  That is just a perfect little gizmo, just like the magazine loaders for Ruger 22 mags and P-08 Luger mags.  Thanks for posting that. 

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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2008, 03:08:08 AM »
I want one for Christmas---please!
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 10:49:07 AM »
I use the bushing wrench its much easier that way so the spring is blocked by the bushing wrench while turning it.  I'm using the stronger recoil springs and my hands just aren't hard/tough like they once were when i was working.  I think the bushing wrench is $1.99 at www.cdnn.com

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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 11:56:43 AM »
Provided your 1911 doesn't have the shoulder behind the recoil spring plug this little part is a great answer to dealing with the spring.
I think this is an alternate answer to the question and it's a bit pricey compared to the other choices.

Dawson Precision tool-less flgr.
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 09:58:56 PM »
I keep having this thought run thru my head for some reason.
Old Norm Abrams always say too always wear safty glasses.
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 04:49:15 AM »
OT; I had a little spring fly out of my astra 600/43 once and it was a bugger to find it, thank God my young kids had eyes of a hawk.

Sometimes when these small parts go flying God only knows were they will end up.

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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 06:34:35 AM »
I use a bushing wrench, as most of my bushings are tight, or fairly so, the edge of the wrench holds the plug and spring in place.  Push back slightly, as others mentioned to back the plug's nose out of the bushing notch so you can rotate the bushing.  I have assembled and disassembled 1911 types for over 50 years, and have probably had a spring and plug fly loose maybe twice....  I'm a skinny 130 pound guy, I'm sure if I can control the spring, most anyone can.
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Re: Fear of the recoil spring coming at my eyes when field stripping!
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 02:44:30 PM »
About the second time I took my 1911 apart, I did exactly what the OP is concerned about. Had the whole assembly come out and hit me squarely in the eye. Luckily I had on my glasses and they were tempered. Knocked a big chunk out of the lens, but that was the only damage (except to my ego). Learned a great lesson.
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