Obama's energy team has its own 'inconvenient truths'

[Brett]

Going green is going to cost us taxpayers a lot of green.

http://www.onenewsnow.com:80/Politics/Default.aspx?id=356854

[torpedoman]

the only change i see is we now have a black clinton

[JonnyC]

GOOD- I HAD MONEY AND A JOB WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

[GGaskill]

GOOD- I HAD MONEY AND A JOB WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

Was Clinton the cause of that?

[jimster]

Presidents do not create money or jobs.  I have held jobs through at least 5 different presidents now.....none of them got me my jobs, or got me my money.
Woud not want them to either...they have other things they should be doing besides finding me money and jobs. 

[magooch]

Oh yeah, I did very well in the stock market during Clinton's administration, but I sure as hell don't credit him with any of it.  I also did very well during the earlier part of this administration.  President Bush doesn't get the credit for that either, but I do give him credit for letting me keep a helluva lot more of it than Clinton did.

I will give Osama some credit if he is able to pull us out of the situation we are now in, but I won't be holding my breath till that happens.

[JonnyC]

How badly would you guys be bashing Clinton if he were in office the past 8 years. I'm sure he would be blamed for most of the economic woes. When it's a Republican, it's someones elses fault. When it a Democrat, it's his fault. Remember Obama or anyone else isn't gonna change things for a long time. Lets give him the same leaway given to Bush .

[Dixie Dude]

JonnyC, when Clinton was in the white house, Newt Gingrich was running congress.  We now have a very liberal president and a very liberal congress.  The only thing that happened under Clinton, is NO nuclear power plants were built, NO coal burning power plants were built, we became more dependent on foreign oil, and ALL new power plants were built to run natural gas or fuel oil.  This drove up the price of natural gas to about double what it was.  (I work in the natural gas industry).  To solve the energy and greenhouse gas problem we MUST do the following:

1) build more nuclear power plants.
2) build wind power plants in the plains states and around the coast.
3) build solar power plants in the southwest.
4) do not use natural gas for power production and wean away from coal for electric power production.
5) to keep the coal companies satisfied, build synthetic gas and diesel plants converting coal to synthetic liquid fuels
6) in the meantime use natural gas in fleets, like mail deliver, UPS trucks, fed, state, city, and county vehicles.
(25% of vehicles in the US are in fleets).

We will ween away from foreign oil, have clean produced electricity, and keep our coal miners happy.

Eventually when technology improves, hybrids an electrics will ween us away from the liquid fuels, but the technology is not there yet. 

Nuclear power plants can be built to naval standards.  The navy probably runs over 200 ships and subs on nuclear without major problems.  It is the only viable large scale solution. 

None of this can be done except by tax and tax credit policies.  Obama doesn't want nuclear or coal to be a solution.  They are the only immediate solution.  We have an 800 year supply of coal.  We need to convert it to liquid fuels. 

Wind and solar cannot produce enough electricity for the entire US.  They are only part of the solution. 

[JonnyC]

I heard all of this in the 70's. There have been Republican and Democratic Presidents and we are still in the same fix. It's time someone actually does it and I don't care what his party is.

[jimster]

I think you hit on something there that might be a problem..."It's time someone actually does it and I don't care what his party is.".....the problem is "he" or "she"....does not have the power to do anything at all.  They never will because our government is set up so one person can't do something. 

Congress makes all the policies and laws (535 people), they are the only ones who decide how much to spend and how much to tax and regulate.  That is all in hundreds of pages thrown on a presidents desk,  and inside that legislation is massive amounts of things that have nothing to do with the name of the bill being passed.  President is last to sign anything,  and if he veto's it, even that can be pushed aside by 2/3 majority of congress.  Far as Dems and Reps go, Dems controlled congress for approx. 42 years out of 50...something like that...and have have been in control for the past couple as well.  Reps had it for a time, things were OK only for a couple years before they forgot why they were finally put in the majority, and then they started voting right along side the Dems and I can't tell the difference between the two parties now.  But the bottom line is, there is no one person that will save the world, thinking that way will be a big disappointment, because it's just not true.  Congress is the real key,  and they have a good game plan,  they too will blame the president if things go bad, even though they voted for legislation that caused it.  Looks pretty grim to me with so many people thinking one person is the key.  Scape goat is more like it.  My opinion is the only way to make things better would take years of hard work, starting at the local levels, then the State levels, till you have good people to send to Washington, but you need a majority of the States to do this,  it would take a long time.  Might be too late.  Till then, people will look for a saviour I guess...it's human nature, and is a lot easier too.

Just my 2 cents...

Jim

[Casull]

Jim, I'd say your two cents worth are pretty damned close to being right on the money.  I also think Dixie Dude is alot closer to a solution than anything I've heard obama or the dem's come up with.  I think we need to drill, drill, drill, AND work on alternatives at the same time, but real alternatives and not just wind, solar or other sources that still rely on traditional power plant backups for when they are not producing (like when the wind isn't blowing or it's dark outside).   

[jimster]

I also agree with Dixie Dude...and it sure seems like it would be easy to do all those things if Washington would just open the doors up and get out of the way.  We should be doing all those things at once like Dixie Dude pointed out. 

[billy_56081]

GOOD- I HAD MONEY AND A JOB WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

Was Clinton the cause of that?

A fool and his money are soon parted. I have both a Job and my money, being a conservative, I did not gamble my money on risky stocks and get rich quick schemes.

[Rustyinfla]

 Listening to the news last week I heard it said three stock were up. Consul, Pitston, and Peabody IIRC. All three are coal companies... go figger?

[45-70.gov]

GOOD- I HAD MONEY AND A JOB WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

i  had  a lot of  guns  i wanted  to  get  banned  by  CLINTON

i  had  a JOB  when clinton was  in  office
i  MADE A LOT  OF  MONEY  when  bush  was  in  office  and  bought  the  guns  CLINTON  once  banned

bush  or  clinton  did  not  effect  my  money,,,,.......thats  MY JOB
clinton  ONLY  affected  my  freedom  to own  the guns  i want

if  you  a looser  with  no job or  not  enough  money  then  that  is  your  fault
don't  make  yourself  look  even dumber by blaming the president

by  the  way  after  8  years  of  BUSH  i  don't  have  a job  either

I DON'T NEED  ONE  ANY MORE  AND  I  BOUGHT OVER 20 GUNS LAST  YEAR    LOL

[JonnyC]

"A fool and his money are soon parted. I have both a Job and my money."

"if  you  a looser  with  no job or  not  enough  money  then  that  is  your  fault
don't  make  yourself  look  even dumber by blaming the president"

Unemployment is higher than it has been in several years. I think some of you should go to your local unemployment offices and tell your feelings to the hard men and women who recently lost their jobs. Let me know how it turns out.

[billy_56081]

I'll tell ya what, I hear "how bad it is" in 2 places, one on the internet, if it is so bad I hope you are posting this at the library, two at the saloon, hmm the guy must be cashing in the free drink chips that he saved over the years. Truth is there are alot of jobs out there but many consider these jobs beneath them, while at the same time they are complaining about illegals taking jobs.

[victorcharlie]

"A fool and his money are soon parted. I have both a Job and my money."

"if  you  a looser  with  no job or  not  enough  money  then  that  is  your  fault
don't  make  yourself  look  even dumber by blaming the president"

Unemployment is higher than it has been in several years. I think some of you should go to your local unemployment offices and tell your feelings to the hard men and women who recently lost their jobs. Let me know how it turns out.

I would, but most of the unemployment offices have closed in favor of online and telephone registration. 

Funny, times are tough, I have a full time job and a part time job, both which offer me benefits.  There are jobs, maybe not a lot of goods ones right now, but if a fellow stays small and doesn't take on much debt then he can make it just fine.

Now, if your living large and loose your job then no doubt it's tougher to get buy.

America has been sold a bill of goods in regard to instant gratification in the form of credit.  The "I've got to have it now" mentality and the aggressive marketing of credit have enslaved a large number of people.

Credit is a trap.  Don't step in the trap. 

[45-70.gov]

i  guess  with  all  these people  out  of work

we  will  have  a bunch  of  GRADUATES  in a few  years

oh    thats  right  no  money for  college

move  back  home  in  your parents garage the  save  for an  education
something  you  should  have already  done

IF  YOU  FAIL  IN  AMERICA...IT  IS  YOUR  FAULT  AND  YOUR PARRENTS FAULT  FOR  NOT  RAISING  YOU BETTER

don't  blame  other  to  releive  your guilt
discuss it  with  the guy  you saw  brushing his  teeth  this  morning
or  are  you  too  shout sighted  to  know  how  you will  look  later  in  life  if you don't

[JonnyC]

 "don't  blame  other  to releive  your guilt"

"or  are  you  too  shout sighted  to  know  how  you will  look  later  in  life  if you don't"

Well said-LOL