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Offline Wakaba

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2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« on: December 17, 2008, 05:29:57 AM »
I wanted to ask some questions about the Brady Bill, and the provisions carried under it.  This is, by no means, an attempt to start a flame war, I just want to get some answers that nobody can seem to provide me elsewhere and vent my frustration at how some of our laws are flawed.

I was discharged, honorably, from the US Army on April 28th, 2008 after serving 11yrs 4mo as an MP.  While my road through the ranks was sometimes like a roller coaster I was punished with nothing higher than a Company-Grade ART 15.  I was deployed several times during my career, including Kosovo, Cuba (GTMO), and Iraq (OIF2), and finished my last 3yrs after Iraq in Japan.  While in Japan I served as your traditional MP, performing law enforcement duties on the various bases around the country.  My last year I was put in an office where one of my duties was Ammunition Custodian, and Armorer.  I had access, at any given time, to the weapons an ammunition for a 70 person MP detachment, 245 person security force, and 12 person SRT (SWAT).  I was still used as a back up patrol supervisor when we would have holes in the duty roster.  During the MLC strikes in early '08, I was sent to an ASP and was responsible for guarding 2/3 of the war time ammunition stock for US Forces Japan.  In March '08 my 'Secret' security clearance recheck was completed (due every 10yrs while on active duty) and approved, which I still carry to this day.

While I was in Iraq, I was wounded, and involved in a number of fire-fights, IED attacks, and patched up more than enough of my good friends.  Because of this I was the recipient of the CAB (combat action badge) and a Purple Heart.  I was also submitted for a BSM(V) and two ARCOM(V) which were downgraded by means of the typical bureaucracy, my rank at the time, and my 'loose mouth' in regards to my senior chain of command, "no soldier in my command will ever get a higher award than I do" ~Battalion commander.  For those that know, this was rampant during OIF-OIF3, thankfully things changed after I left, and soldiers were finally awarded what they deserved.  As some will expect, the fun and games took its toll on my mind and body.  A year after I got home my wife started to notice some changes in me.  I never stopped reacting to loud noises, and being hyper-vigilant at all times.  I also felt very uncomfortable in large crowds, and always needed to have my back in a corner at restaurants.  Most importantly was my unrest in bed while sleeping, and "strange noises" that I would make.  After this started to disrupt her sleeping habits, and started to cause issues in our marriage we sought counseling on base.  After a few sessions with the head-shrinker I was diagnosed with PTSD and quickly prescribed medication to help tame my anxiety.  There were few changes after medication, but there was a noticeable change in my unrest, and comfort levels in untame situations.  At no time after my diagnosis or prescription of medication was there any question of my chain of command, post command, or medical personnel of my ability to perform my duties as an MP.  I was never placed on the "no draw list", I still retained unaccompanied access to both unit arms rooms, post arms room, and still carried a loaded M9 while on duty or escorting ammunition, explosives, or money on and off base.  I have never been "command/medically referred" to mental health, and only "self reffered" after my marriage was on the line.  I have never been hospitalized or anything more than what I stated above regarding my mental health.   

109 days before my discharge I received orders assigning me to Ft. Carson Co. which was the next batch of units in the queue for OIF/OEF.  This report date was scheduled for 92 days after discharge.  My wife and I had already made the decision to leave the service 3 years before, formed a plan, and sent her home 6mo before my discharge to establish a home front, and find a job (She has an MBA and a Masters in Accounting).  I later found out that putting me on orders was common place for the Department of the Army, to increase the reenlistment numbers for "mid-termers."  At that point I had one of two options, sign a "Declination of Continued Service Statement" (DCSS or "dec statement") refusing the orders, or reenlist for the pending orders and continue my service.  Because my wife was already in the states, already working for a large company as a sales/finance analyst, and looking for a house I reluctantly signed the DCSS and started the process of discharge.  The DCSS came with some nasty little barbs to further entice reenlistments.  First I was barred from reenlistment from the date of signature until 90 days after discharge.  I was removed from the promotion standing list, all schools (if any scheduled) were canceled, and if I was to reenlist after that 90 day hold was lifted I would loose my stripes, with no ability for bonuses or enlistment incentives.  These last little "got ya's" are standard and while playing devil's advocate, I can see how they are effective for people NOT in my situation.  While some in my unit stated this was cowardice in the face of deployment, I felt my stack of ribbons proved I had done my part and was able to walk and not have one ounce of remorse. 

About 2 weeks after my discharge I attempted to purchase a single shot (H&R/NEF) rifle for the approaching deer season.  When my information was run I was put on what the salesman said was "a hold."  He said I was not declined, but I was on hold for further investigation, and he would call back in a few hours with an update.  A day had passed and I called them, the manager then called in and let me know I was still on hold.  This game went on for over a week of calling every day.  I then waited another week, called the store, and got the same answer.  I was still "on hold" with no further information given.  At this point I was fed-up, my wife was fed-up, and bought a rifle at another store under her name for me to use.

It now has been about 6mo, and my VA claims process is finished.  I was found 50% disabled for my various injuries coupled with 30% for my PTSD which I still deal with.  My wife and I have a safe with 12 long guns in it, and that rifle she bought me is currently at big green getting two new barrels.  All but her .22lr and the H&R/NEF she bought me were purchased by me before my initial enlistment.  All are in my name, and were bought legally between 1996 and 2000.  I have not, nor have I ever been involved in a violent crime, have had a felony conviction, or been hospitalized for mental health.  I have never laid a hand in anger on my wife in almost 4yrs of marriage, and am VERY proud to say in that time we have NEVER even had so much as a heated discussion.  I feel if anyone out there was afraid of my mental stability I would never have remained in my professional duties AFTER my diagnosis.   

I have been thinking of picking up a new shotgun for next year's up-land game bird season, and home defense (the single shot 12ga just doesn't instill great confidence) but am afraid of being put "on-hold" again.  I felt a level of shame and embarrassment that I could have never imagined when I was denied the ability to purchase that rifle.  As a member of law enforcement for over a decade I can see the reason for some of the laws governing the sale of firearms.  While some of these issues are well thought out, and work, others are horribly flawed. 

Now I have questions;

1: Is my diagnosis of PTSD limiting my ability to purchase a firearm?  If so, am I legally responsible to transfer the weapons currently under my name to my wife, who has no "dings?"  When my father eventually passes, am I, his only son, not able to legally inherit the firearms that have been passed through the male bloodline in my family for four generations?

2: Is there a way, someone to call or write to find out exactly what my status is?

3: Am I able to appeal any placement on the ineligible list?

Thank you, and please pass this to anyone that knows the system and can advise. 

-Rich

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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 11:56:15 AM »
That sucks, I don't know who to contact, just wanted to thank you for your service and sacrifice.

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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 12:33:26 PM »
I don't think PTSD has any affect on gun purchase. Some states are more of a pain than others. I think the max delay is 3 days. If a NO hasn't been returned in that time frame it means approval. Sounds to me like the store was screwing you around mostly. Try elsewhere.


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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »
sometimes those things need a political kick up the arse action to get fixed. Is your State Rep a fair or pro gun type? If he is anti' don't bother.
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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 08:57:12 AM »
I don't think PTSD has any affect on gun purchase. Some states are more of a pain than others. I think the max delay is 3 days. If a NO hasn't been returned in that time frame it means approval. Sounds to me like the store was screwing you around mostly. Try elsewhere.

   I agree. Contact your state Attorney General.

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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 04:49:47 PM »
  Waka ,

   I second that ... Thank you very much for your service .

  As for the NICS check , Well its a F*n Joke ... Point blank..

  Example : I have (like you) never had a felony ,Been convited of battery or mental anything... I'm delayed more times then not ..

  But earlier this year i went into one of my local pawn haunts and saw a Remmie 7600 30-06 pump-action i just couldnt pass up.. No surprise  Delayed !
  Well i left there and stopped by a shop not far from the house , And spied a DPMS AP4 (AR platform in 7.62 NATO/308 ) and ended up taking it home 15 minutes later ( What the HELL?) this in the very same day.

  So When i went back to check on the " Delayed " 7600  , I got to chatting with my buddy there at the shop about this and he said " Ohh yeah they dont like me , I pissed them off a couple times"  Do what so the guy by the house being the new gun shop in town  .. I get approved in one call  ... Buddy who has pissed off some chimp in a cubical and I GET delayed ??
  OOOOOO K ...

   Now a few months ago i found a 357 mag revolver  ... Filled out the papper work and the call to NICS was made ( totally different shop) and delayed ! Why this time in this shop ? The person answering the phone for my region is filling in for the normal person and is delaying everyone . And point-blank told this to my buddy behind the counter.. Oh give me a break i was thinking , This is just ridiculous !

  There is no rhyme of reason to thier system ,  Unless you consider " Ahhh im not in the mood to do my job today ,They can wait " a system that works with any form of reason or rhyme ..

  Dont let it phase you brother it happens to us all ..
 
  I would say that checking out another shop would probably help  out .... But that is the game we play to continue our heritage and constitutional right to keep and bare

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 11:48:18 PM »
there is an appeal process for you. i was declined for some reason in the past and had to use it. even had a local investigator show up asking me about my refusal. look it up - its out there. may take you a few weeks but they will get it worked out. be patient.

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Re: 2nd Amendment, Background Check Flaws, and my Ineligibility?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008, 12:23:30 AM »
Slick Willy made it tough on combat Veterns getting guns  I forget the details but he made a lot of people mostly Veit nam Vets ineligable to purchase a firearm
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2008, 02:49:27 AM »
Foggy - I think the clinton thing was based on the pstd concerns, the same way they, or at least nys wanted to disarm any police officers who had domestic complaints filed against them.

I just got turned down - actually, delayed at a chain sporting goods store just before Christmas - the smiling jerk behind teh counter told me anywhere from 30 minutes to 30 days. 

Lo siento senor sporting goods dood, if they don't get back to you within 3 working days the rifle is mine.  If you don't get back to me within 3 working days to let me know it is mine I will make you wait twice as long as you make me wait and then I will have you put it back on the shelf and destroy the paperwork in front of my eyes. 

Graybeard is correct - the longest they can delay you is 3 days.  Mikey.

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 05:11:01 PM »
i also found the info for your appeal - shoot me a pm and ill send it over.