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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2008, 08:34:30 AM »
Unfortunately Remington doesn't put their 250 gr 358 cal on the reloading market. That would be the bullet they load into the Whelen.

The Hdy 250 gr. bullet needs a 2300 fps min MV which is the max for the 358 Win. That leaves the 220 gr. Speer for close work at lower V's without  going to max loads.
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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2008, 01:37:42 PM »
I have owned and hunted with many .358's currently own a Savage 99 Win 88 and Browning Blr,steel reciever. I bought a Ruger Hawkeye in .358 but traded it for something. The .358 is a lever gun cartridge ! I've killed everything from mice to moose with mine, especially blackbears.(got 27 so far) Bang flop no tracking required. Use 48 grn of Tac and .250 speers. or AA2520. 3031. If you can hit what you shoot at it will never let you down. I don"t know where these guys get this Kicks hard business. Everyone I've shot is about like a .308 Which I use for an all round deer rifle.

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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2008, 04:26:09 AM »
I've had a BLR 81 in .358 for about 10 yrs. now. I had wanted a Savage 99 but never found one. The BLR was bought new at a local (high dollar) shop that discounted it deeply and was willing to take most anything in trade, including cast bullets. Most of their customers were buying whatever the newest magnum was and had no interest in a .358. This was in an area where shotguns only are allowed for deer so I don't know what they had in mind. I'm glad I'm still in a rifle area. Lots of hours on a stand, on and off an ATV and wading through second growth so thick you couldn't see 15 yds. led me to decide it would be the perfect rifle for black bear where I hunted in Quebec. Up until that time I was a single shot and bolt guy - this was to be a "specialized" rifle. I mounted a Leupold 1X4 with heavy duplex (shotgun) reticle. It shows up at dark-thirty on a black bear, which is about the only time I see them. It's quick in handling and in reloading. Though a second shot hasn't yet been needed, it's nice to know it's there fast if it ever is. Like my old Ithaca 37 shotgun, it just seems to reload itself without conscious effort - after firing a round I cycle the action  automatically. I like that. Where I hunted in Quebec had to be accessed with an ATV and many times I'd be on and off the machine a dozen or more times setting bait for the outfitter. Being a "newbie", I liked having the rifle with me. The outfitter rarely carried one, when he did, it was an old Stevens single shot .22 (which I ended up repairing for him so it would fire reliably). Though it wasn't a necessity, the detachable magazine is very handy to load and unload quickly without having to run the cartridges through the chamber. I have a couple mags and though pricey, they have a good spring and follower and have been  reliable, feeding spitzer, flat and round nose bullets very well. I have to admit that I haven't worked up alot of different loads. When it was new to me I tried several jacketed bullets in the 200-225 gr. range. 250 gr. were not available locally at the time and I was so happy with the Speer 220 FP that I haven't felt the need for any other jacketed bullet. I worked up a load with IMR 4064 and haven't changed that either. It groups 1.5" at 100 yds consistently if handled well from the bench. That bullet/load has performed extremely well on black bear and deer with positive controlled expansion and has always exited, even on a deer a couple weeks ago at close to 300 yds. Short range my a$$! That is the longest shot I have ever taken on an unwounded game animal. Most of the time, game is taken at bow range.  This was on a doe at the end of a morning hunt. I had already taken one up close earlier and wanted another one since it doesn't take much longer to pack up 2 for the freezer than it does for just one.  There was minimal expansion but the flat point still did what it was supposed to without fuss or muss. This bullet holds together on deer and bear very well but a coyote shot broadside at about 20 yards was almost in 2 pieces - not enough to be worth skinning. That one I don't understand, maybe a piece of rib bone did the extensive damage. Had I seen that before ever using the Speer FP on game I probably would have chosen a different bullet. Glad I didn't... I've always been a cast bullet fan and early on worked up small game/plinking/finish 'em off load using SWC bullets. They were accurate but I was never able to develop a load that shot anywhere near point of aim or top of duplex post with my jacketed load.  Some of my other rifles don't either and I just change the sight setting from season to season. I want "little thumper" always ready to go with the full power load. I guess it's the "speciality rifle" idea I've always had about the BLR .358.  In the past couple years I have bought two 35 cal. "group buy" molds, casting 180 gr. and 220 gr. FP bullets. Mild loads of Herco ('cause I have 8lbs. of it) group extremely well at 50 yds. and a very slight change to my new full power sight setting group these to point of aim at 50 yards. I still only have 1 jacketed full power load for this rifle and will probably settle on using the 180FP cast bullet as a mild load.  My "short range thumper" could take the place of everything else in the rack if I needed it to.  It would be hard to design something better and I fell into it. How much more can you ask for?
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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2008, 10:43:49 AM »
I had a BLR for a very short time and that was because a good friend wouldn't let me leave his place 'til I sold him the rifle. :-)He uses the 200 gr. Hdy SP for everything.
I did have and used a Marlin in 35 Rem for along time. My favorite bullet was the Speer 220 gr FN. while living in BC. After moving south in the same province and moose were no longer locally available I switched to the 180 gr. Speer bullet.
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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2008, 12:58:21 PM »
Excellent Reports, very informative. But you really should try the .250 speer on bear and moose. You can get 2350 in the blr, it just whacks them ! I use to use 53 grns of 748 with the .250, now using TAC but it really doesn"t make any difference. My rifle doesn"t kick and will kill deer at 250 plus. My last black bear weighed 512 lbs and was a record for a non-resident alien. One shot, fell on the spot.

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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2008, 03:22:58 PM »
The .358 Winchester is my favorite woods cartridge.   I have four rifles so chambered.   I got the first one, a M99F in 1966 and have used it since.   

The latest one that I got in .358 is a Mannlicher Schoenauer.



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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2008, 12:05:52 PM »
jbmi,

What is the barrel length on the 99, 24"?  It looks a bit longer than the 88....

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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2008, 07:00:09 PM »
the .358 is my fav rifle round-- Ihave two a 22" .Vanguard and an 18.5 ruger m77-- for deer 200 to 225 but have killed some with 250 Hornady RN--I did have a really nice Savage m99 did not like it -- needed to deep seat the bullets -the stock was too low  for scope -- it was a really nice rifle-- butI was wedded to the other and it is long gone-- would like to have a BLR some day thouhg -- I am shooting h335 and remington 200 gr pspcl--I am going to try some H322 and the same bullet  and will get around to cast one day

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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2008, 05:55:24 AM »
Everyone please try some TAC and coronograph your loads. 2750 is possible with 200 grn bullets and 2370 with .250 speers. It does in my blr 20" bbl and not the slighest hint of pressure. I have usd these loads in the field with great success on deer,bear,elk and moose.

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Re: .358 Win
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2008, 02:55:40 PM »
Winter Hawk, 23" from the front of the receiver, 23.75" if you include the part threaded into the receiver.