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Offline RIFLE MAN

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« on: August 25, 2003, 05:23:37 PM »
Dear Friends,
One of the local Wal-Mart stores has a package gun on clearance. It is a Winchester model 70 in .300 WSM with a 24 inch barrel. They also have the .270 WSM. How do the cartridges compare to the standard .300 Win Mag and the .270 Win.? What are the ballistics out of the 24 inch barrel? The retail price is $389.96 and they are on clearance for $369.96. What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2003, 07:57:37 AM »
Rifleman,

There is nothing wrong with Wal Mart specials.  I shop there myself.

HOWEVER, and (this is a big however), according to a friend that is "in the know" in the retail department store industry, Wal Mart purchases it's discounted guns from major manufacturers because they carry the plainer wood and metal finishes.  

In other words, that M70 Winchester that you are interested in is not what you might find at a retail sporting goods chain store for a higher price.  It's discounted because it's plainer and intended for the less discriminating mass consumer.  I got burned in buying a Ruger M77 in 7mm Remington Magnum several years ago, and discovered (after purchase) that the "bargain" price was because Ruger ran a batch of receivers through hot bluing and they came out not dark blue-black, but dark purple-black!  Yep, the bluing salts solution was overheated.  The discounted price was some 30% below MSRP.

Further, the Winchester Short Magnums may be a temperary flash-in-the-pan for popularity.  They were intended to duplicate full-sized cartridge ballistics in a shorter, larger diameter cartridge case.  That means proprietary cases with  limited availability.  That spells limited popularity and almost certain obsolescence in terms of ammo and component availability in a few years.  Look at all the obsolete cartridges of the 20th century, and most of them started out that way.

I'd probably NOT get interested in that deal unless it is clearly a LARGE discount over what a comparable rifle in a more standard caliber would cost.  A more standard chambering means retaining it's value better.

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John
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2003, 08:11:28 AM »
I have no experience with either cartridge. I'm not a magnum fan. I have read several articles on both and if I wanted a .270 the 270WSM would be my choice. It does have an edge on the standard round and there are only three factory chamberings in that popular bore size. They are the 270 Win, 270 Weatherby, and the 270 WSM. I believe the 270 WSM will last. The others, only time will tell. The short mags are a good idea. The problem is there are too many choices out there.  Dave
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2003, 03:37:59 AM »
" I just bought a NIB Model 70 last week and took it out to sight it in on Saturday. It made a "different" sound when I fired it and kind of felt like someone slapped my hand on the forearm. When I tried to eject the round it would not eject. I tried to run a live round thru it with the same result. I immediately went back to the dealer with it and after a thorough examination, it was discovered that Winchester had shipped the rifle with the wrong bolt! I asked for nd recieved a refund and bought a Remington to replace it. If Winchester's quality control isn't any better than that, don't think I'll be buying any more of 'em. "

I replied the above to another post but this rifle was in 300WSM. I liked the round, just didn't like the rifle. I reccommend checking the number on the bolt to make sure it matched the serial number.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2003, 07:46:45 AM »
RIFLE MAN,

I agree with what 'John Traveler' says about everything except the part about the short magnums.  They are here and here to stay if sales are any indication.  About the hottest selling cartridges today with the WSM line leading the way.  The most popular of the WSM line is the .300 with the .270 and 7mm lagging not far behind.  I don't own any, YET, but I can see one showing up at my house in the future.  The .300 WSM does what it says it will do in matching the .300 Win. Mag. stats.  If you like the rifle go for it and don't look back.  It will handle most anything you'll ever run into hunting.  Lawdog
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2003, 08:54:42 AM »
Howdy, Lawdawg!

My sincere apologies if I stepped on anyone's toes for suggesting that the WSM line of cartridges is not here to stay.  I certainly don't KNOW that, but thought they were only modestly popular.

Say, Lawdawg!  Whatever happened to that guy that took offence at what you wrote and offered to meet you in Las Vegas on vacation and kick your butt?  

Did he just go away?

What part of northern California are you at?

Curious John
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2003, 06:23:17 PM »
I don't know that I would even call these magnum rifles. I checked some velocities in an old Shooting Times with my reloading manuals and found the .300wsm to be closer to a 30-06 Ackley improved than a .300 Winchester magnam. Which is not a bad laod. I think a .270wsm in a Winchester Featherweight would be a nice little rifle. A .300wsm would be enough gun for anything in North America. The only problem with the short magnums for me is brass. I can fire form 30-06 A I brass, but I would not want to try making wsw brass. JMHO...OOBuckshot

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2003, 09:10:38 AM »
OOBuckshot,

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I don't know that I would even call these magnum rifles. I checked some velocities in an old Shooting Times with my reloading manuals and found the .300wsm to be closer to a 30-06 Ackley improved than a .300 Winchester magnam.


You're right.  The old books do show better velocities for the .300 Win. Mag. as do the old data from factory loaded ammo.  When Winchester first introduced their .300 magnum it had an advertised velocity of over 3300 fps.  Since then all the ammo companies have "watered down" their loads.  The .300 Win. Mag. for example is about 200 fps slower than when first released.  Same with the 7mm Rem. Mag. and the .338 Win. Mag..  I'm betting that the fear of lawsuits brought this about.  It doesn't matter what ammo company you check, Federal, Remington, Winchester, etc..  They have all "watered down" their loads.  What's really funny is I have some old reloading manuel(1975) that show a velocity max. for the .25-06 115 gr. bullet to be around 3000 fps.  My new manuel shows the max. for the same bullet to be 3200 fps., a nice gain of 200 fps.  I guess reloading has different standards different than factory.  Lawdog
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