Handi in 7.62X25 Tokerev

[SM Bob]

I was on another forum on GBO discussing my CZ 52 semi auto pistol in 7.62X25 Tokerev.
That is a way wicked little round! It shoots a little 85 grain bullet around 1500fps out
of a pistol similar in size to a 1911 Colt. I'll tell you what, I could shoot my 1911, 357Mag,
44 Mag all day long and nobody would even give me a second glance, but when I pull
out that CZ 52 and fire off a few mags a crowd starts to gather. It makes a hell of a racket!
"What is that pistol?" "That is one bad A_ _ pistol!" Those little 85 grain rounds kick major rear
end! That's for sure! Anyway, A fellow named Guy posted that he had a Handi in 7.62X25.
He said he hunts with it too and it has taken some game most people wouldn't believe. I couldn't
imagine how cool that rifle would be to shoot! I wouldn't be surprised if that
round would be traveling over 2000 fps out of a handi. With a hollow point that would
explode varmints like a stick of dynamite was placed inside of them! I asked him if
we could continue the discussion over here. He said he started with a 22 Hornet.
I would love to hear the details of how he put his 7.62X25 Handi together. If anyone else
has done this cambering please chime in.

                                                   Robert
   

[brennemanj83]

Hmmm This sounds interesting. I cant wait to see what others have to say about this.How some 30cal sabots with 22cal bullets 35 or 45 gr.There is two ways to go about doing it.#1you have to start the 22 hornet barrel like you siad and have it rebored and chamber for that round and have the etractor modified.#2 have a stub barrel made up.Shouldnt be to hard of a project if you dont mind spending the money to have it done.If you start with 22 hornet and have it rebored get in ouch with Wayne York he hasnt done no work for me yet but I plane on having him do a rebore for me.

http://home.earthlink.net/~oregunsmithing/id9.html

[SM Bob]

It would definitely be one of those "shoot for cheap and have fun" calibers. When I shoot my
CZ 52 out to 150 yards it gets out there quite a bit faster than my 357 Blackhawk, does.
That 7.62X25 Tokerev gives body armor manufactures a bad time. I could believe it!
From what I understand it was considered one of the most powerful handgun rounds until
the 357 mag came along. It would be too much fun in a Handi!

An interesting link.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/czech-firearms/17008-7-62x25-cz52-t33-tokerev-ya-got-time-short-story.html

                            Robert
 

[Airsporter]

I think you would basically end up with ballistics equivalent to the .30 carbine.  Lots of cheap milsurp 7.62x25 ammo right now though.  Hopefully BHO doesn't pull the plug on that.

In a handgun it is truly a magnum round.  I wonder what the RemFedWin people would call it if it came out today - shooting a 85gr JHP @ 1700fps? 

[Mikey]

I picked up some 7.62x25mm chamber inserts for a 308 and 30-06 a while back.  Sold the 308 insert when I sold the rifle and have played with the 06 insert.  I have tried some different ammo in the insert and accuracy isn't bad at 25m but I would like to improve on it.  I think there is a lot of free travel from the insert to the rifling but I'm not sure how this affects the accuracy.  I am thinking of getting some of Ron Reeds 7.62x25mm loads and trying those.  I just have to make certain I don't confuse the hotter Reed loadings for the CZ-52 with those for the Tokarev but you are quite correct - that little 85-90 gn slug is pretty interesting from a long rifle barrel.  I may have to think of a Handi now.....  Mikey.

[SM Bob]

I found another interesting article. I would rather have a 22 hornet barrel reworked
rather than what this guy did, but I thought it was interesting. I didn't know any
Chinese companies made a copy of the NEF shotgun.

                                Robert


http://www.modernsportsman.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=Gunsmith&action=display&num=1198601721

[MSP Ret]

Thanks for the good read SM Bob!! It looks like a nice site as well. I have bookmarked it for checking out on a nice quiet evening. They have a nice active local hunting page as well....<><....

[R.W.Dale]

there's a GBO mamber who has one, He has a thread about it in the Deer hunting forum. Title is something like "Tokarev handi strikes again" or something another

[Guy Pike]

That is me! My Handi-Tokarev was a stub project by my friend Kim in New York. It wears a medium heavey Lilja barrel at 16.5". Laminated stocks, glass and pillar bedded. #8 scope base screws. 2# trigger. It has taken coyote, deer, and a black bear sow, head shot with S&B fmj @ about 25 feet. My pistol was aquired in 1979 during a little trip to Prague courtesy a a military organization that I am unable to mention. During a trip to Buda pest in 2006 I got to talk to a bunch of different Nato folks who claim that the round still commands alot of respect in Eastern Europe due to it's body armour piercing characteristics. I can e-mail Kim's info on request as he is banned here due to a former association with an unscrupulous fellow. He got shafted, but went on to become a creative and very upfront guy. My best, Guy

[wanderer]

I haven't done it, but I did talk to a fellow at the range who was shooting a single barrel shotgun converted to that round. I can't remember the exact model, but I seem to recall that it was a Stevens. Anyway, I'm guessing that he had about a 24" barrel on it. With cheap mil surplus FMJ's he was getting almost 1900 fps at the muzzle and 3-4 inch groups at 100 yds. I am guessing the mil surplus ammo was 85 grain stuff. He mentioned that he made the reamer himself and that the chamber dimensions were tailored for a 125 or 130 grain bullet (I can't remember what brand of bullet anymore). That's all the info I can remember and I'm actually kind of surprised that I can remember that much. Anyway, I hope it helps someone and I think that writing this post has me talked into making one. Might be a project for this summer.

[Guy Pike]

My chamber was actually reamed to fit S&B FMJ's. I sent the smith a couple rounds to work with. I get pretty consistant 2.75" groups at 100 yds with Wolf hollow points or S&B FMJ. One difference here is that the rifle should handle the hotter machine gun rounds better than the pistol does. I haven't fired any mil surplus stuff and probably won't. I have reloaded some using L'il gun powder and my own calculations but don't recommend that any one else try it.I am getting results consistent with factory loads as far as accuracy but have no chrony or any desire to test velocity. The rifle will shoot through an eight inch white Oak at 40 paces with all my ammo. It's quite entertaining.

[dpe.ahoy]

That is a suprising little caliber, I have one of the CZ's and think it would make a dandy chambering for the Handi.  I'm thinkin' it would have the 30 carbine beat.  DP

[SM Bob]

Guy,
You say your friend did the work on the conversion. Could you elaborate on this a little bit.
(Ie. where did you acquire the barrel? What twist are you using? etc.)
If I got a 22 Hornet barrel from H&R I wonder how much I would be looking at to get it
opened up to 30 or 7.62mm, rifled, the chamber cut, and the extractor modified? I have
zero gunsmiths in my area that I would even approach with a project like this.

                                                   Robert
 

[Guy Pike]

The barrel was acquired by Kim's former business partner who left under very bad circumstances and basically left Kim with no clue who had order what done or anything else. It was a .308 Lilja barrel. 1in 10 twist. The Hornet barrel is scrapped with the exception of the part containing the chamberand lug. This gets internal threads and the barrel containing the new chamber is threaded into it. I can e-mail you Kim's info if you send me your address. One thing is for sure: Mine will be for sale as soon as Kim gets an order for another! I will then have him build me another strange rifle as I want to be different from everyone else. Actually, if you could see me you'd understand. My face was destroyed by fire in a helicopter crash while on vacation in SE Asia years ago. Star Trek has nothing on me!