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Offline CLEM

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steel targets
« on: April 01, 2009, 05:27:58 AM »
I am a new pistol shooter and want to make some steel targets. I will be using a 9mm and 40s&w. Would 1/4 plate be heavy enough. Also what bullets are safe to use and how far is the minimum safe range. Thanks Clem

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 06:13:44 AM »
It's not only the plate thickness, but the quality of the plate.  You may want to lookup up plate target manufacturers and see what they're using.  Also when you're shooting steel, you will always have the risk of some small chunk of something coming back at you so definately make sure you wear safety glasses without exception.  I've had little bits come back and get me before but it's exceptionally rare and when it happens it's not even a bee sting, but when shooting steel with a handgun you'll be closer so your odds go up.  Just something to keep in mind.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 06:22:17 AM »
He's right on the quality.

Some of the homemade ones I have shot were to soft.
Dents in the "gong" will cause more ricochets.

Saw my brother catch a .22lr in the chest that had bounced strait back to him.
A bigger bullet might not have bounced off of his coat. ???

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 08:14:09 AM »
I'm sure you guys have seen the video of the guy shooting a 50 BGM at a steel target and the bullet comes straight back and knocks the ear muffs off his head.  If you haven't seen it just google it.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 09:50:58 PM »
 A safer way for steel and pistols is to suspend the steel from a tree limb with aircraft cable. The bullet pushes the steel back and wants to maintain a constant path. So it gets deflected down behind the steel instead of bouncing back. I have 12 plow discs suspended in an old oak tree. The cables are inside an old garden hose to keep from chewing the bark up. The spread is about 30 yards wide so it's good to practice engaging multiple targets and patterning movement. I use .22lr,.223, 00 buck and .45 acp on these.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 03:07:10 PM »
i have a plate of 1" steel i shoot at alot, i keep  it angled so the bullet deflects either up or down. the plate it too thick to give off a good noise tho.

i also have several old scuba cylinders i shoot at. i hang them from tree limbs by dog chains. after a couple of hits they are moving around quite a bit.
they also make a good "gong" noise, but when they are moving good they tend to bounce the bullets about randomly. it can be quite fun really! lol

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 03:16:04 PM »
It is best to avoid jacketed pistol bullets when shooting steel at close range. Jacket fragments bounce back and often penetrate.  :(

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 03:47:21 PM »
I havn't done it yet, but I plan on making some gongs out of railroad tie plates. I will weld some chain to the back so they will suspend at an angle to deflect the bullets downward. You can usually find these things by walking down any railroad track, and they are heavy enough to withstand rifles at a reasonable distance. about 10" square, so a good size for a target.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2009, 03:21:28 AM »
T-1  steel is good if you can get it, and for calibers heavier than .22 LR, I would want a thickness greater than 1/4" . Here's a bit of caution FWIW: In the distant past, I was the IHMSA State Director for N.C., and traveled and shot regularly throughout the state and surrounding states. I've seen many hundreds of thousands of rounds of handgun ammo fired at steel in IHMSA and NRA matches, generally without incident.
HOWEVER, stuff can happen: In a Hunter's Pistol match about 20 years ago, a friend shooting near me had a hunk of jacket from a .357 JHP bounce back from a 25 yard chicken and severely cut his lip. In a different match, I had all or part of a 158 gr lead SWC bounce back from a 25 yd. chicken or rail and strike me on the forehead above my right eye, nearly knocking me out.
Not related to these incidents, but responding to complaints and requests from member clubs, the NRA later changed the distance of the nearest target- the chickens- to 40 yards, rather than 25.
I realize that many speed and cowboy matches shoot steel closer than 25 yards, mostly with targets angled slightly toward the ground, to deflect bullet splatter. I like to look closely at such targets, with a dubious eye. Good strong shooting glasses are a must, in any event.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 04:16:35 AM »
Thanks for the information. I think I will stick with paper and card board or water jugs for now. Here in Canada about all you can buy are fmj.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 12:07:34 PM »
I built some swinging plates out of 1/2" mild steel. Mainly for shooting with lead bullets but I have shot them at 30 yd. with 115 gr. FMJ 9mm rounds. They don't make anything but a copper mark on the steel.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 12:30:22 PM »
Hanging a steel target from a flexible cable IMO would be worse than a stiff arm swinging target. If you hit a target that hangs from a flexible cable at the top of the target, the weight of the lower portion of the steel could be enough to offset the inertia creating a "fulcrum" at the point of impact = balance and no change of angle...causing a ricochet I would think. On a stiff swing arm type target that is slightly positioned to angle down (perhaps by putting "stopper" on the swing arm so it would positioon the target to slightly down), then the bullet would ricochet into the dirt down beneith the target.

All this said, I use paper and cardboard.
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Re: steel targets
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 03:23:48 PM »
another popular one is a spinner.
baisicaly take a 1.5" pole, and weld a flat blade at every 45 degrees(triangles are best). weld a plug/cap on one side.
take a 1" pole and drive it into the ground till its just at chest level. smear lots of automotive grease on it.
now drop the welded spinner on it.

its great for 2 guys shooting, paint each side of a blade a different color. then you can play "stop" one person shoots a color so get it spinning, while the other guy is trying to stop it.

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Re: steel targets
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2009, 06:27:21 PM »
kind of sounds like pissing in the wind, but with lead.
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Re: steel targets
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2009, 03:36:02 PM »
I believe USPSA rules say not to shoot any steel target closer than 10 yards?
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Re: steel targets
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2009, 05:45:55 AM »
Be very careful with rifle bullets on close steel targets.  I was at guys house who was doing penetration tests on a steel plate with an AR15 and a SKS at 25 yds.  The 7.62 X 39 jacket came straight back hitting him between his right eyeball and his eyebrow.  The jacket was all knarled up and under the skin, blood was pouring out everywhere, his wife was screaming and flapping her arms like she was gonna fly away, I got a pr. of long nose pliers and he said "pull it out"
I thought it was gonna pull his head off but it finally came out.  After it was out the blood flow slowed which was good since I had to drive him about 45 miles over Mt. roads to get a Dr.  Took 9 stitches to close the wound.  Somehow didn't touch his eyeball, he was very lucky and recovered fine.  Another time I saw a lady get hit in the leg with a .45 Colt lead
bullet that embedded itself flush with the outside of her leg, this off a steel target.  Saw a guy shooting bowling pins with a .45 auto get one back right thru his glasses, knocked him to the ground, burst the lens out, got a few small cuts but was back shooting the next day. Also seen several guys shoot themselves without using targets.
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Re: steel targets
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2009, 08:13:32 AM »
USPSA is predominately handguns? Another thing, only use lead bullets when shooting at steel targets! No jacketed stuff.
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