Shutting Detroit down

[Oldshooter]

Did ya hear the Big And Rich  new song About shutting Detroit down? I know that there would be people hurt that do not deserve to be but I'm not so sure that letting the companies fail that are not competitive would not be a bad Idea. Hell no one is knocking on my door to relace the 32 grand i have lost in my reitrement account in 08.

Maybe we should have a blue collar march on Washington and shut the whole place down for a few days and see if anyones head is pulled from their rear ends!

Lets at least keep those cards and letters going to those that need them!

Hang on to those guns and Bibles Boys!

[Matt]

Here it is with the story behind it

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[Graybeard]

I'm a firm believer that if a company can't sucessfully compete and make a profit it needs to shut down. That's the way it works for small outfits and should for the big ones too. If the big three stop making cars in Detroit then they'll be made by some other company in some other American city. Almost all the foreign name brands have moved to the US to make their vehicles and are putting out better cars and trucks than the detroit iron these days and they seem to be making out OK.

The first thing that needs to happen is those executives that can't figure it out needs to be fired and perhaps the stock holders should sue them to recoup the money they've gotten in bonuses while ruining the companies. Then the union bosses need to be fired as well and the workers need to put in a honest day's work for an honest day's pay. The salaries for everyone up there has gotten totally out of touch with reality and they can't compete as a result.

Honda in the next county over from me here in Bama is expanding as fast as they can. My last two new trucks have been Toyotas and they have both been better than any of my Detroit iron other than my '85 Bronco which I must admit was as good as any I've owned and I sure wish I'd not traded it on the '88 which had problems from the day I got it.

My new Sequoia is bigger, heavier and has way more HP than any of my Broncos and gets 50% better gas mileage tho I admit it ain't gonna do off road what those Broncos did. It rides a lot better on the highway tho and these days that's mostly where I drive anyway, hell always did really tho I did used to put in a lot more time in the dirt than I do now.

[Oldshooter]

Yes Sir, there are two things(probably a lot more) the government should not do!

1.  No Government requiremnets for anything. let the free market decide what kinda cars to build.

This is where things got kinky in the first place.

2. IF you price yourself outa business then you start over or look for other work. the market will be supplied to suit the demand. No bail outs

[burntmuch]

 Off topic here but GB I read your comments about Broncos on quite a few threads, Im assuming you liked them. Ive owned 4 of them. They were some good trucks werent they.

[Graybeard]

Loved my Broncos even the '88 that gave so much trouble. I never ever should have let that first one the '85 get away. When I took it in for the first service to get the oil changed and lube they asked me what was wrong. I told them not one single thing that I knew of just change the oil and do whatever maintenance the book called for at that mileage and leave everything else alone. That was the most trouble free American made vehicle I've ever owned.

It did get rather poor mileage but in it's favor it did have a high performance 351 engine with tons of HP so I guess that was to be expected. It was so good I figured upgrading to a new '88 with EFI would be the best of both worlds. Boy was I mistaken. Still most of the problems with it were with things I had added after it left the factory. I had $8000 worth of add-ons that it didn't have when Ford shipped it. EVERYONE of them gave me trouble until the day I traded it off. The factory installed stuff worked pretty much as expected. The gas mileage was no better tho and it had less power.

[Questor]

Question: Why don't politicians or bureaucrats go on stike?
Answer: Nobody would notice.

[Troyboy]

Toyota is loosing money and Honda is cutting salaries

[Dee]

Question: Why don't politicians or bureaucrats go on stike?
Answer: Nobody would notice.

Strike from what? None of the  #@#$s have ever had a job to strike from. Besides they have to earn that $4700.00 raise they just gave themselves.

[torpedoman]

It is NOT that there is no demand for the productit is the whole economy. I told everyone who would listen that 4 buck a gallon gas would take down our economy, and it did. While paying that much there was no money to spend on anything else so buying slowed or stopped inventories built up layoffs followed and it has been snowballing ever since. The banks arent the problem, the big companies and unions arent the problem, the housing isn't the problem they are all results of the energy gouge. Everthing was operating just fine until the government let the energy people run wild. Our ecomomy is broke at the bottom all the money dumped in at the top will be stolen or wasted just like the last time. Until they find a way to get the money to the consumer the system wont work. If they keep printing money and t bills and bonds it will end up with 100 buck a loaf bread.

[Dee]

By the way. Big and Rich ain't anymore. Mr. Rich is on his own now they say.

[mechanic]

It is NOT that there is no demand for the productit is the whole economy. I told everyone who would listen that 4 buck a gallon gas would take down our economy, and it did. While paying that much there was no money to spend on anything else so buying slowed or stopped inventories built up layoffs followed and it has been snowballing ever since. The banks arent the problem, the big companies and unions arent the problem, the housing isn't the problem they are all results of the energy gouge. Everthing was operating just fine until the government let the energy people run wild. Our ecomomy is broke at the bottom all the money dumped in at the top will be stolen or wasted just like the last time. Until they find a way to get the money to the consumer the system wont work. If they keep printing money and t bills and bonds it will end up with 100 buck a loaf bread.

You are correct to an extent, but the gas was just the "straw that broke".  Sending our manufacturing overseas has not helped.  We began this about 10 or more years ago, and few noticed.  When the family farm died out in the 1900's, we still had farming, it was just on corporate farms.  The wealth stayed here.  When our manufacturing leaves, our wealth goes with it.  One of the major reasons we are in this mess, is that we have had a government that outstepped it's bounds and unconstitutionally told banks to loan money to people who could not afford it.  They also have many other unconstitutional programs that suck the tax payer dry of his money.  If you add it up, the average worker pays more than half his income in some tax or another.

Sorry....found myself on a soap box.