is there a way to regulate bbls on a sav.24

[TIMBERTRAMP]

I have a savage 24,12ga\30-30 that doesn't shot both bbls to the same poa, in fact it's so bad it's laughable or only usable as a hvy single shot is there any way that this can be fixed,by a gunsmith or has anybody contacted savage about this and what was the reply. thanks-tt

[pastorp]

TT, All I would know to do is sight in for the rifle barrel and just compensate for the shotgun barrel.

 How far apart ( in inches) do they shoot? With birdshot you should be able to hold off or on to compensate. With slugs it may be harder. Byron

[dougk]

Have you tried different weight bullets?  I have found 150gr shoot differently in my 30-06 DR.  Also, what are you shooting out of your shotgun barrel?  Is the POA different with cold bore shots?

[TIMBERTRAMP]

Thanks for the replies,i sighted in with 160gr leverevolution and a mixed lot of left over slugs,I have mounted a 1.5x4 bushnell on it at 81ft the slugs hit appox. 1ft low and 9in. to the right.I have also shot bird shot in sizes 4-7.5 out of hit and get hits on the paper but not dense center of mass clouds,I was thinking of putting a red dot or holosight on it,but don't think I will as the gun seems to heavy for grouse or woodcock hunting.thanks-tt

[ncsurveyor]

I have one of the 222/20ga.

I put high rise mounts on it and set the scope for the 222, and use the sites for the shotgun.

I have noticed that by loosening the screw on the front bracket and giving a little "twist" to the barrels, you can affect the trajectories.  But I feel more comfortable just letting them free ball, and tightening the clamp where they rest without tension.

Been tempted to buy about three of the brackets and manhandling the barrels until they coincide, and clamping them down, but the scope option works fine for me now.

[TIMBERTRAMP]

Thanks for the advise, ncsurveyor i'm not sure what i'm going to do now ,needless to say i'm somewhat disappointed,I might try that trick though if nothing else it will give me a carry handle. -tt

[wecole]

Timbertrap,

   I wish you good luck.  I am very interested in the Savage 24 since the deer and small game seasons overlap here in Virginia.  I am a little worried about reports (like yours) of the shotgun and rifle barrels not being aligned.  If the difference was only in elevation, that would be acceptable.  However, it sounds like windage is often involved too.  Yours is not the first story I have read.
   The suggestion to use see-through mounts is fine for some, but I got a nasty scope cut from a see-through mount on a 30-30 when I was a young man, and I have sworn off them. 
   The more expensive (european) guns have adjustment mechanisms to align their barrels, but it seems that the Savage does not.

   Are the barrels welded together or free floating to the clamp at the muzzles?  If free, there may be hope.
Bill in VA

[TIMBERTRAMP]

wecole the barrels are separate on this model, I had a 24 with welded barrels in 410/22mag when I was a kid and it shot where it looked mabey 24's are like dogs some are good some are bad kind of makes buying one a crap shoot.-tt

[ncsurveyor]

Hard connections of the barrels are at the chamber area.  A two piece figure "8" clamp holds them at the muzzle.  When I first got my 24V the barrels were more closely regulated but the barrels were "twisted" or torqued to the point where that figure 8 clamp was not straight vertical.  Since it has the front sight on it, this put the blade at an angle, which bugged me.  I loosenend the clamp and they returned to "normal"

Not sure straining the barrels at the chamber was a good for the gun anyway.

I never did really look into exactly how the (older) barrels were fastenend together at the chamber.

[woodchukhntr]

I've had several 24's, the latest being a 24F  .30-30/12 Ga.  This is the only one that is even close to being regulated.  With the .30-30 zeroed at 100 yd., the 12 ga. shoots slugs about 6" right at 50 yd.  I use it for deer hunting in an area where one farmer won't allow rifles, so I unload the rifle barrel and try to remember to flip the selector to the shotgun barrel.  It is also used for coyote hunting with shot in the 12 ga. barrel so I can use that for in close shots and the .30-30 to reach out and touch them.  Of course, they haven't cooperated with me yet.  My 24C camper .22/20 isn't even close.

[LONGTOM]

The way to shift the point of impact from side to side or up & down on any shotgun shooting shot is with the use of an off set choke.
That is provided the barrel is threaded for chokes.
I don't recall who makes them but I do know they are out there.
They probably are a custom made item with a custom made price to match!
It can be done!


LONGTOM

[coyotejoe]

It is tough but can be done. You first must realize that birdshot and slugs will not impact in the same place from any shotgun. The slugs get out much quicker, ie: shorter barrel time, and nearly always impact lower than the center of the shot load, so you need to decide which load you really want centered. You can correct horizontal deviation by loosening and twisting the muzzle clamp as mentioned, a very, very slight twist will make a big difference. To correct the vertical deviation you need to make a wedge to fit between the two barrels at some mid-point. Then, by sliding the wedge rearward, the wedge, acting on the tapered barrels will spring the barrels farther apart at the mid-point. Since they are bound at the muzzle, springing them apart in the middle will bend the rifle downward at the muzzle. The rifle will then shoot lower and the shotgun higher. You also need to fire groups very slowly with lots of time for the barrels to cool between shots, otherwise they will string shots vertically.

[trotterlg]

My 24 30-30 over 20 gauge is brazed at the muzzel with a little block in between the barrels, no band on either barrel.  I have only patterned it with shot and the 30-30, but it is very close to center.  I think if I were to try regulating it I would use one of the tools they use to bend shotgun barrels slightly, seems like it would work good.  Larry

[soli]

Are the chokes Sav.24[12ga.]made by Savage?Who sells them?

[woodchukhntr]

Are the chokes Sav.24[12ga.]made by Savage?Who sells them?

 I was told that they are the smae as Winchester chokes.  Mine came with a full set, including Turkey.

[wecole]

I believe the chokes are compatible with the Invector (not Invector +) type.  Those are common to many Browning, Winchester and Mossberg shotguns.  I'll find out for certain soon.  I'm ordering a turkey choke for my 24.

[alsaqr]

My model 24 F is .22 Hornet over 20 gauge with fixed choke.  It is my go to called in coyote gun.  It has a Weaver 6X scope and puts the center of the #4 buckshot pattern right where the rifle bullet goes.  The barrel attachmennt of the 24F is different from the others.  The barrels are brazed at the breech.  A ring is brazed to the rifle barrel at the muzzle:  That ring goes around the shotgun barrel and there is some space between the shotgun barrel and the ring on my rifle.     

[wink_man]

Savage 24s have been produced since the 1940s, and the barrels came in several flavors over the years, anything from the barrels being brazed together end to end, a barrel band that can be loosend and tightened as a crude adjustment, to free floating barrels with a shim brazed at the end, or a round barrel band on the shotgun barrel that the rifle barrel is brazed to.

If there is any way to regulate the barrels, I am unaware of it. This gun was produced initially I think, as a cheap utility gun, so parents didn't have to buy both a rifle and shotgun for their child, and barrel regulation wasn't figuered into the price, LOL. In 1967 the deluxe model, the Savage 24 J-DL, which was a 22 or 22 magnum over 20 gauge, had a list price of 68.50, and the plainer field version had a list price of 54.50. even in 1967, that wasn't a whole lot of money for a new gun, and there is no way, at those prices that barrel regulation was included in the equation.

I have over 2 dozen 24s, ranging from 22 over 20 gauge, to 357 Max over 20, and not one of them shoots both barrels to the same point of impact. so if you have one that does, you better smile and keep it forever. The answer for me has always been see-thru bases, using the scope for the rifle barrel, and the iron sights for the shotgun barrel, and while I'm not breathless about see thru mounts, they are necessary on a savage 24, abd they work out just fine, and solve the problem.

[wecole]

Are the chokes Sav.24[12ga.]made by Savage?Who sells them?

Call Savage and buy the chokes directly from them.  You won't beat their prices and the chokes are sure to fit.  I got two chokes and a wrench for $33 delivered.  They have great customer service.