Author Topic: nother 50 cent & 1 minute safety solution (Read 2125 times)

nomosendero · « **on:** December 30, 2008, 04:20:10 PM »

I am aware of the O-Ring set-up for the cross bolt safety & I think it is good, esp. if you want to take it off & back on fast. but for the humid area we hunt the o-ring can break down from the solvents/ois we use over time. I have also read of Paco Kelly's method & also a kit you can buy.

My brother came up with the idea to use an E-Clip. It's cheap, fast & works. Just slide on (stiff) the clip, it won't come off. If this has been thought of before, sorry.

burntmuch · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2008, 04:23:53 PM »

Good idea. My 1956 marlin 336 35rem doesnt need it

nomosendero · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2008, 04:54:37 PM »

Quote from: burntmuch on December 30, 2008, 04:23:53 PM

Good idea. My 1956 marlin 336 35rem doesnt need it

Yep, the legal/Lawyer situation has changed alot since 1956, sad to say.

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2009, 05:07:28 AM »

Treat the stupid safety just like your wife...just pretend it isn't there and ignore it!

Blowtorch

coyotejoe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:56:52 AM »

Looks like a good idea, not the most beautiful but it looks like it would work for sure. Anyone who watches Ted Nugent's "Spirit of the Wild" TV show saw Ted's brother mess up an Alaskan bear hunt with a borrowed Guide Gun. It was pretty amusing. The nice black bear came in and was working over the bait and CLICK, off he goes.

Does Ted ever hunt except baited animals from a blind?

Skunk · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2009, 07:27:02 AM »

Quote from: coyotejoe on January 08, 2009, 04:56:52 AM

Does Ted ever hunt except baited animals from a blind?

Do any of the famous "big time" sports channel hunters ever hunt big game that's not baited from a blind? Keith Warren basically said that if he stalked prey on public land and never made a kill, nobody would watch his show.

And in keeping with the topic of this thread, the e-clip seems like a good solution for hunting in humid climates. Thanks for sharing the info, Nomosendero.

Sharps-Nut · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2009, 09:12:51 AM »

I will admit the first time I read the fifty cent lawyer safety fixes I laughed and thought dumb asses. I dont see the need for them that's what the hammer is for but I also don't see the need to bypass it. Well I will eat my searving of humble pie now. This year during youth season a 30-30 I bought recently for my son with its lawyer safety cost us an eight point buck. I felt horrible that I missed the safety. Never had one on a lever gun, in the heat of the moment forgot it, "click" the deer did not hang around for a second try. My son went deerless this year and our gun will wear an o ring before next years hunt. After he is old eneogh to go it alone, he can make the call, but as of now I to hate the damn things. SN

Ron/Pa. · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2009, 11:34:38 AM »

After seeing and hearing of accidental firings when a lever actions is being unloaded I think it is a neccesary evil! A question of might save a life versus I missed a Deer. Just leave it off till you unload the Gun.

mannyrock · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:39:30 PM »

Yea, just think of it as your "unload button." This could change your whole perspective on the thing. When you load it, leave it on "red" to remind you its loaded. When you unload it, flip the button on safe to work the lever.

Works for me. :-)

Sharps-Nut · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2009, 03:17:14 AM »

That was my mind set when I bought it, a selling point for safety. Especially in a future shooter hand, when trying to let down a hammer, but loose a deer and you learn to hate it. Not the guns fault were stupid, but as long as the boy and I hunt side by side, he's eight, it will most likely get the o-ring fix, to help us dumb, dumb's keep it ready to fire. SN

six_gunz · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:25:23 AM »

No need to put ugly o-rings or e-clips on your rifle. If you don't want to replace the safety with one of the available safety replacements then just remove the tang screw and buttstock. Make sure the factory safety is off and tighten the set screw all the way down that holds the spring and ball for the safety. It's on the left back side of the receiver. This will lock the safety down and have the same effect. It takes all but a minute to do.

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:57:59 AM »

I don't mind the safety... It is low profile and I leave it on fire except when unloading... I can't help but feeling a little nervous when unloading a lever gun... On my winchester I have missed a few targets at the range due to that safety... It sticks out way too far and sometimes you engage it without knowing it...

nomosendero · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2009, 03:06:01 PM »

Quote from: Ron/Pa. on January 15, 2009, 11:34:38 AM

After seeing and hearing of accidental firings when a lever actions is being unloaded I think it is a neccesary evil! A question of might save a life versus I missed a Deer. Just leave it off till you unload the Gun.

To each his own. If I felt that way I could not have an old lever gun, glad I view it different.
"save a life verus I missed a Deer". Not for me, I point my muzzle in a safe direction & would not trust a safety under
ANY circumstances.

S.B. · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2009, 09:13:14 PM »

I didn't see anything in six_gunz's post that said he'd be unsafe? Your last post is confusing, "If I felt that way I could not have an old lever gun, glad I view it different".
Steve

Keith L · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2009, 01:10:17 AM »

I read it that if he believed the safety was useful that would mean the older guns without them unsafe, and that having a safety doesn't mean safe handling rules can be ignored.

I agree that there is no excuse for poor safety habits. I also know that accidents happen in the split second that good habits are forgotten. I don't have any problem with having the safety on mine. And I wonder what the lawyers would do in case of one of those accidents with a gun that has a defeated or removed safety? You would be far better off with an older gun in that case.

S.B. · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2009, 04:09:09 AM »

Your the only two people who I've ever known to agree with the factories installation of this device? I do respect your views on this. Guess I'm just a traditionalist?
I haven't seen anything in this thread about anyone saying safety should ever be circumvented? Most Marlin owners feel the cross bolt safety is over kill for safety and only serves to up the cost of the rifle. I've read of too many instances where a hunter goes for a good shot only to loose it because of another(cross bolt) safety is engaged.
I would never recommend anyone not use a safety or follow safety procedures but, the newer Marlins all still have the half cock position on the hammers plus another safety with the cross bolt one?
As we teach in Hunter Safety Courses:"A Safety is a Device That's Been Know to Fail".
Tell me this, what's the difference between using one of the E clips on a rifle and changing the cross bolt safety out?
Steve

Keith L · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2009, 06:12:42 AM »

My point is that if you use an e-clip, o-ring, tighten the set screw, or remove the crossbolt and replace with a plug it doesn't matter. You are potentially accepting responsibility for any injury that happens as a result of accidental discharge. Even if the person using the gun failed to follow safety procedures a lawyer will have a chance to take you on in court for defeating a safety device even if it is not the only one. And a jury is likely to give your stuff to someone else out of ignorance as much as fairness. I guess if I felt the need not to have the crossbolt I would sell the Marlin I have and get an older one pre that device. As it is it causes me no trouble, so for me the fact that it is there is a non-issue.

S.B. · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2009, 11:24:20 AM »

I do every time I pick up a firearm.
Steve

BBF · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2009, 11:38:54 AM »

It has been some time I had to load or unload a Marlin. I recall that it isn't necessary to fully or even partiallly chamber the unfired round to eject it. Once the round is out of the magazine tube it can be shook out by just rolling the rifle to the right.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2009, 11:39:17 AM »

ALWAYS leave the safety on
and you will ALWAYS remember to take it off

the missed deer is a result of training not the safety

i like them but have shot many rounds with out the new safety
and am sure most of you have more lever experience than me

nomosendero · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:13:08 AM »

Quote from: RPzB on January 24, 2009, 11:38:54 AM

It has been some time I had to load or unload a Marlin. I recall that it isn't necessary to fully or even partiallly chamber the unfired round to eject it. Once the round is out of the magazine tube it can be shook out by just rolling the rifle to the right.

Yea, but you are messing up somone's argument.

nomosendero · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:16:18 AM »

Quote from: S.B. on January 24, 2009, 11:24:20 AM

I do every time I pick up a firearm.
Steve

Yep, as it should be. And as Keith L said, my point was if that safety was key in handling a lever gun, then I would have to quit shooting the older ones that don't have it.

nomosendero · « **Reply #22 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:20:30 AM »

I think some have failed to see my intent of the thread. It is NOT the intent to say that you should
bypass this ADDITIONAL safety. The intent was to show that if you do want to, here is another method to do so. A discussion about whether or not to bypass the safety has ZERO to do with it.

That's a personal call, period.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #23 on:** January 25, 2009, 04:08:42 AM »

Some of my leverguns do not have safeties (Browning B92, Marlin 375) and some do (Marlin 336 and 1895). The safety on the .45-70 cost me the biggest buck I had ever put the crosshairs on up to that time. (I normally hunt with the safety off but my hunting buddy insisted I use it even though I had an empty chamber and showed it to him. When time came to fire I chambered a round and forgot about the safety. Predicatably, the result was a loud "CLACK" as the hammer dropped and the deer ran off.)

Even so, I don't care one way or another except for aesthetic reasons. The Winchester saftey dimples are just plain ugly but I don't mind the Marlin safeties. The rotating lever on the Rossi's are more than ugly - they're an aesthetic abomination.

At the end of the day a Marlin safety wouldn't slow me down on a purchase. I know where there is a pre-safety .30-30 Winchester '94 I could have for under $300 but I'm not rushing off to get it, either.

Sharps-Nut · « **Reply #24 on:** January 29, 2009, 08:24:06 AM »

WOW what a post and the scary thing is I think we are all right. HUH?