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Offline JimFromTN

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Affordable action
« on: December 30, 2008, 08:25:09 AM »
Does anyone know where one can get an affordable action?  It seems like if you just want to buy the action, it costs as much or more than buying a rifle.  I know I can buy a CZ rifle cheaper than I can a CZ action.  A 700 action is about the same price as the rifle, maybe $50 cheaper if I am lucky.  I think there is a guy selling old pitted mauser actions on gunbroker for fairly cheap.  I was hoping to get something that isn't pitting.  It seems like the most affordable way would be to find a used rifle and strip the action out of it.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 08:33:51 AM »
I think there are many adds for mauser actions in shotgun news. I think there are some really nice ones under $100.00.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 11:46:02 AM »
What do you want to do?  I know build a rifle, but what caliber are you thinking of and what barrel length?
You may be best to buy a used gun and refinish and stock it the way you want.



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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2008, 01:37:56 PM »
Call a few WalMart stores to find one selling the old Rem 700 ADLs.  They may even have factory rebates.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2008, 03:20:21 PM »
yugo mauser is a fine action to build on or get a savage and rebarrel it to what you want  one of the easiest builds.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 03:22:16 PM »
yugo mauser is a fine action to build on or get a savage and rebarrel it to what you want  one of the easiest builds.

Or a stevens 200 even a cheeper way to get an action.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 03:23:23 PM »
Buy a 700 Remington at Walmart and sell everything but the action.  You won't have much in it, and you'll have an action worth building on.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2008, 03:25:21 PM »
The auction sights have some Mauser actions for sale at pretty much all times, I just looked and there is a nice mauser action on one at this time, looks like the bolt has bee jeweled, that handle turned down and an aftermarket trigger installed.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2008, 04:17:33 PM »
What billy said +1
    If you watch the two main on line gun auction sites for "barreled action", there are real bargains to be had.
A couple of years ago, I got an Interarms Mark X commercial with a .308 barrel on it for around $225.  The action was used to build a 6.5/06, and the barrel was re-chambered to 30/40, and replaced a badly pitted barrel on a US Krag carbine I had.
    If you are thinking of a belted magnum , there are usually Pattern 14 and 1917 Enfield barreled actions listed for cheap, and if you can live with cock on closing, both are long and strong enough to handle the magnums, but require getting rid of the ugly rear site protectors.
    Like billy, I just checked, and there are quite a few listed, ranging from $30 Arisakas through $450 Howas.  Take a look, and maybe you will find something that will work, at a price you like.
    If you're not in a hurry, just keep checking every couple of days, and sooner or later, you will find one that will work at a price you can live with. 
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 05:57:52 AM »
I have bought 2 small ring mausers off of one of the auction sights, I made a super nice 6.5 swede that weighs around 7 lbs with scope for my son with one and am working on the second one.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 06:12:38 AM »
Many years ago my mom and my step-dad were looking at a brend new Lincoln Mark IV. When the salesman left them alone for a minute my mom asked, "I wonder what kind of gas mileage it gets"? My stepdad replied, "If you have to worry about gas mileage, you can't afford the car"! Think about it!
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 09:35:43 AM »
I am wanting to learn how to build my own rifle.  I have friends with the knowledge and equipment to show me how.  I am just wanting something inexpensive to learn on.  I was thinking an inexpensive action with an inexpensive 308 barrel to start.  Once I have some experience under my belt, I want to build something really nice for myself.  I will wait until then to invest in a nice action and a good quality barrel.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2008, 10:09:57 AM »
If your wanting to learn then get the pitted actions and either buff the pits out or fill them in. 
On a Siamese action I have I painted the action and the barrel.  I used epoxy to fill in the crest and other jibberish and squiggles, sanded it flush, stamped in a serial number and applied the flat black paint.  Looks great. 
You can even make the rifle Camo if that suits your fancy.  There are kits as well as all kinds of cans in the wall mart. 
Practice on some plastic pipe first.  It will help you get down the idea of what items you will need to make painting easier.
The 98 action has a lot of after market items like a 3 position wing safety.  Similar to the Win M70 or the new Ruger M77 MkII's.  They also offer a slide safety like on a Remington 700 but that will require metal and stock work.
As for the triggers.  you can stay standard, go to a two trigger set trigger set up or a single set trigger like on the CZ rifles.
Wood or composit stocks are also easy to obtain as well as trigger kit and other furniture like trigger guards and mag plates.  Most of these items are just snap on or require little fitting like the stocks.   Stock configurations can be military, sporting, full length, or target, varmint, or tactical ( what ever that means)   
There are a lot of barrels for large ring mauser and you can go from pencil thin to real heavy and from 16.5" to 26" or longer depending on what you want to do.
As for sights.  They make peep, express, three leaf, and tangent as well as templates for scope mounts as well as scout scope rails.
With the scout scope or open sights you can use the stripper clips.
Good place to start or bad due to all the ideas available is a brownells catalog. www.brownells.com and order a catalog.  Midway also is good but seems to be more expensive.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2008, 11:46:43 AM »
Stay with Remington.  You will be glad.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 11:51:57 AM »
Stay with Remington.  You will be glad.

Agreed, if you start with a junker mauser action the only thing the finished product can be is junk.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2008, 11:56:52 AM »
If you're going to change the barrel, you might as well just buy the action and not worry about the trouble of selling everything else.

If all you want to do is change the stock/trigger, I like the idea of going to Walmart (or bass pro / cabelas when they run a sale/promotion) and buying a rifle like the Stevens 200 or a Vangaurd. The key would be buying your gun at the cheapest price you can find.
Selling a stock might be hard for some models but for the 30 dollars you're going to get for it, you might as well keep it just in case.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2008, 11:59:31 AM »
If you start with a Nice Mauser action you will have something that everything else is just a cheap copy of. No one ever said there was a bolt action manufactured that was better than the 98 Mauser, just cheaper and easier to manufacture. No professional hunter would stake his life on a push feed system, and remember they are professionals.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2008, 12:58:29 PM »
If you start with a Nice Mauser action you will have something that everything else is just a cheap copy of. No one ever said there was a bolt action manufactured that was better than the 98 Mauser, just cheaper and easier to manufacture. No professional hunter would stake his life on a push feed system, and remember they are professionals.

A nice Mauser action will cost you a barrel of money.  When complete, it still won't be as accurate as a $400.00 Remington 700 from Walmart.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2008, 04:41:07 PM »


A nice Mauser action will cost you a barrel of money.  When complete, it still won't be as accurate as a $400.00 Remington 700 from Walmart.

Yeah, right.  You are so full of BS.  I've seen some very nice, very accurate Mausers that I wouldn't put my Remington BDL up against if money was on the line.

I bought a brand new Interarms Mark X action for $280 at a gun show.  The Timney trigger added another $80.  Bought a Boyd JRS laminate stock for $139.  After I add a barrel and bed the action you won't be able to tell if the targets were shot with the Interarms or a Remington.

A couple of guarantees, though, unlike the Remington - you don't have to wonder if the Interarms' bolt handle will ever break off or its extractor will ever break.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2009, 12:29:48 AM »
Jim - I would go get myself a Chech Mauser, (a VZ-24 or factory rework which would be a VZ/CZ 24-47 or 52) or a M48 or 48A.  You should be able to get either for less than $200 and thye should work just fine for your project. 

However, before you go cuttin' that rifle up into smaller parts that you can work with I would make sure it's not a good shooter - i.e., I purchased a older Swedish made (Husquarvarna) 98 in 8mm a couple of years ago thinking I might have something done with it but, I scoped it, bedded the action and added a Bold Trigger and it puts 3 196-200 gn slugs into the same hole at 100m.  No way I'm givin' up a shootin' 8 for anything less..............

I do not think you can go wrong with a good Mauser action.  JMTCW.  Mikey.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2009, 01:14:08 AM »
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Interarms Mark X action for $280 at a gun show.

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The Timney trigger added another $80..

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a Boyd JRS laminate stock for $139.

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After I add a barrel and bed the action you won't be able to tell if the targets were shot with the Interarms or a Remington.

It may or may not be accurate..........Do the math.......I rest my case

That huge extractor pulling on the case rim is the reason Mausers aren't known for a high degree of accuracy.  I have an Interarms project going myself.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2009, 12:44:27 PM »

It may or may not be accurate..........Do the math.......I rest my case

That huge extractor pulling on the case rim is the reason Mausers aren't known for a high degree of accuracy.  I have an Interarms project going myself.

The new Interarms action will cost less to build on than if I had bought a new Remington rifle or action to build on.  I've done the math.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2009, 01:21:38 PM »
You keep the 700 action and sell the rest.  You'll have the best for a whole lot less.  You could just keep the entire rifle since you won't be able to improve it.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2009, 02:12:30 PM »
Actually if you want the best, a Nesika is the best. Now we are ralking an affordable do it yourself action. that is where the mauser comes in.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2009, 05:32:36 PM »
Go the Mauser action. VZ 24. Contour the back  IE remove the ridge over the stripper clip slot Heat and sweep bolt handle. New bolt shroud. Adjustable trigger with safety Re-barrel in caliber of your choice. Chamber ream and head space. Polish and blue. Semi inletted stock Inlet to barreled action. Bed action Finish stock and enjoy. Will you have more invested than its worth? Probably but its a learning experience. Upside is if you're on a tight budget the time you're waiting on more funding you will have plenty to do. As far as accuracy my first build on a Mauser well do 3 shot groups inside a dime. Mostly though you will probably enjoy the process.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2009, 05:42:36 PM »
Well seeing as your doing it yourself as a project, just go to a second haand store and buy a uesd gun. You'll be able to do all the work you want on the action and replace the barrel. You could buy a new stock to inlet or better, just completely redo the stock you get with the rifle. Re-finish, re-bed ect. You might be able to find a used mod 788 or 600 Rem and they make a really nice rifle. Of course you'll be stuck with a short action. How about a 250-3000?

I wouldn't get to crazy as this is simply a learning process for yourself. You would be suprized what you might come up with. You can shop for deals in popular actions for customs and get really disappointed, there are no good deals. Or you can shop for a cheap action, which may make a nice rifle but what will you have when your done? Or you can get a decent used gun with a bad barrel and end up with a nice rifle. In fact you just might have the action your looking for in your gun cabnit right now, that's were I found the stock and action for my 6.5-06.
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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2009, 03:17:51 PM »
Howa actions run from under $400 for the standard action to around $500 for the magnum actions.  They come barreled and include the floorplate and screws.  All you really need is a stock and scope.  This is the action that we can get through the gunsmithing school I go to.  Instead, I used a Remington 700 action that I spent $400 on new through Midway but then dropped another $200 on steel bottom metal, screws, mag box, and follower. 

The Howa has a M-16 (Sako) style extractor and are well made in Japan.  Have seen these chambered in everything up to and including the 458 Win Mag and they hold up well.  The only thing I don't like about them is the aluminum bottom metal and trigger housing.

I also have a Remington 798 barreled action that I will be putting into a wood stock.  I bought it over a year ago from Midway, but I don't think they have them any more.  You can get a complete rifle with synthetic stock SPS for around $500.  They are almost completely the same as the Mauser 98 and work well in the Mauser 98 inlet-ed stocks.  They are well made, I think in Serbia if I'm not mistaken.  I have not found anything on it that is aluminum yet, should blue well.

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Re: Affordable action
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2009, 04:20:08 PM »

Speaking of actions, I just got a good one.  A friend went to an estate sale and bought this action and a barrel and a reamer for a 5.6 X 61 Von Hofe Super express with a 5.56 floating pilot.  It's a commercial square bridge mauser made at Obendorf with a kepplinger single set trigger with side safety.  He wanted to keep the barrel but gave me the action and reamer in lieu of $50 he owed me.  I don't want to build that caliber but am thinking 7x57.  Brownell has that trigger for $246.  Sometime your the windshield and not the bug.
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