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Best dog for rabbits?
« on: December 30, 2006, 10:21:01 AM »
So,whats the best dog to use for rabbits.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2006, 12:27:38 PM »
A laberdoodle/begalasset cross! Damn I'm sorry. I'm so sick of all the off the wall stuff I see on the internet. Someone asks an honest question and someone else tells them what a great dog they have that can fetch ducks, tree squirrels, point chukars, guard the kids, do the shopping and even play six musical instraments.

Now that that rant is over I do believe that if I wanted an answer to that, I'd address Victor Charlie. That's Redhawk's oldest son! ;D
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2007, 09:04:02 AM »
Beagle.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 10:17:46 AM »
Beagle.
Good, cause that's what I told the wife ;)

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2007, 09:04:18 PM »
without a doubt,beagles!!!!!

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2007, 07:29:29 PM »
Best dog for hunting bunnies a beagle, but if you want to hunt other game check out Britt's.  Years ago when I was a hardcore bunny hunter I had beagles and they were great bunny hunters.  However, moved to the city and a pack of howling beagles wouldn't set well with the neighbors.  Two years ago decided I wanted to get a hunting dog but I wanted to hunt a variety of game - birds, bunnies and squirrel.  I did a lot of research and ended up getting a French Brittany.  They are smaller then the American version mine weighs 28 pounds.  In one hunting trip we can work the fields for birds head into the brush for bunnies then into the woods to tree squirrels.  She is a good little tracker but not as good as a beagle, however unlike a beagle she will air scent a bunny.   It's pretty cool to watch her belly crawl into a brush pile and have a bunny pop out the other side. Also it's nice to have a dog that will retrieve a dead bunny from a brush pile.







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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 11:55:05 PM »
Get yourself a gundog  beagle out of a good blood line.  Show stock and brace trial stock is not going to make the cut.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 03:43:51 AM »
Get yourself a gundog  beagle out of a good blood line. 

That is the best advice given so far and it applies to any dog you want to get for hunting.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 04:21:01 AM »
Best dog for hunting bunnies a beagle, but if you want to hunt other game check out Britt's.  Years ago when I was a hardcore bunny hunter I had beagles and they were great bunny hunters.  However, moved to the city and a pack of howling beagles wouldn't set well with the neighbors.  Two years ago decided I wanted to get a hunting dog but I wanted to hunt a variety of game - birds, bunnies and squirrel.  I did a lot of research and ended up getting a French Brittany.  They are smaller then the American version mine weighs 28 pounds.  In one hunting trip we can work the fields for birds head into the brush for bunnies then into the woods to tree squirrels.  She is a good little tracker but not as good as a beagle, however unlike a beagle she will air scent a bunny.   It's pretty cool to watch her belly crawl into a brush pile and have a bunny pop out the other side. Also it's nice to have a dog that will retrieve a dead bunny from a brush pile.




Boy she sure has grown up. Looking good!!




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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2007, 07:37:59 AM »
VC beat me to the punch but the beagle dog has been divided into show stock and field stock for a number of years and seems to be headed for a three way split with real, live hunting dogs seperated from both show and trial dogs. A "grade" dog (pure bred but no papers) might be your best choice. Expect to pay some serious money to get good ones.
That said, I wouldn't buy a pup without seeing his parents or at least his dam work nor a grown dog without a trial period to see how he does. 

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 02:48:12 AM »
There is certainly some trial stock that is not suited for hunting...........Brace hounds run, or rather walk, so slow that they simply arn't suited for hunting.

I started many years ago with cold blooded hounds......had several fairly good ones......the real advantage to pure breads is that they usually produce a consistant offspring, or, the offspring are more likely to have traits similar to there ancestors. 

There are many, varied styles of beagle from the slow and close brace hound to the wild and wooly very agressive, over competitive
hounds that simply run for the front, and are easily pushed over the end of the line by honest working hounds.... fast hounds look great when the sent is high but can cause problems when the scent changes..........a good pack hound is one with an honest mouth who cooperates with his running mates to keep the rabbit moving.

When looking for a good hound, don't get caught up in speed......a great hound has gears, and the ability to adjust speed to conditions.......

The nature of field trials is to promote the best individual hound........Often, the best individual isn't the best pack hound.

The most important part of beagling and rabbit hunting IMO is to account for the game.  If your having a good chase with little break downs, (called checks) and not running to a loss very often then I'd say you got a good pack of hounds......

If you've got a break down due to loss of the scent trail then you've got at least one hound causing problems, and it won't be the slow hound on the back of the pack.........but will be the hound on the front that took you over the end of the line.

Clearly, not making positive progress on the line is a fault.........to slow and to close is a problem, but running hit or miss without regard to the line is a problem as well.

Credits and demerits from the AKC rule book:

  http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RF2404.pdf?SEARCH_BUTTON.X=0\&SEARCH_BUTTON.Y=0



both field trials and hunting purposes.
5-B Definitions—Desirable Qualities
Searching ability is evidenced by an aptitude to
recognize promising cover and eagerness to explore
it, regardless of hazards or discomfor t. Hounds
should search independently of each other, in an
industrious manner, with suf ficient range. In trials
run under Brace or Small Pack Procedures, hounds
should remain within control distance of the handler,
and should be obedient to his commands.

Pursuing ability
is shown by a proficiency for
keeping control of the trail while making the best possible
progress. Game should be pursued rather than
merely followed, and actions should indicate a determined
effort to make forward progress in the surest,
most sensible manner by adjusting speed to correspond
to conditions and circumstances. Actions
should be positive and controlled, portraying sound
judgment and skill. Progress should be proclaimed by
tonguing. No hound can be too fast, provided the trail
is clearly and accurately followed.
At a check, hounds
should work industriously, first close to where the
loss occurred, then gradually and thoroughly extending
the search further afield to regain the line.

Accuracy in trailing is the ability to keep consistent
control of the trail while making the best possible
progress. An accurate trailing hound will show a
marked tendency to follow the trail with a minimum of
weaving on and off, and will display an aptness to turn
with the trail and to determine direction of game travel
in a positive manner.

Proper use of voice is proclaiming all finds and
denoting all forward progress by giving tongue, yet
keeping silent when not in contact with scent that can
be progressed. True tongue is honest claiming that
running mates can depend on.

Endurance[/color] is the ability to compete throughout
the duration of the hunt and to go on as long as may be
necessary.

[color=red]Adaptability means being able to adjust quickly to
changes in scenting conditions and being able to work
harmoniously with a variety of running mates. An
adaptable hound will pursue its quarry as fast as conditions
permit or as slowly as conditions demand. At a
loss, it will first work close, and then, if necessary,
move out gradually to recover the line.[/color]

Patience is a willingness to stay with any problem
encountered as long as there is a possibility of achieving
success in a workmanlike manner, rather than taking
a chance of making the recover y more quickly
through guesswork or gambling. Patience keeps a
hound from bounding off and leaving work undone,
and causes it to apply itself to the surest and safest
methods in difficult situations.

Determination is that quality which causes a hound
to succeed against severe odds. A determined hound
has a purpose in mind and will overcome, through
sheer perseverance, many obstacles that often frustrate
less determined running mates. Determination
and patience are closely related qualities and are generally
found in the same hound. Determination keeps a
hound at its work as long as there is a possibility of
achievement and quite often long after its body has
passed the peak of its endurance. Determination is
desire in its most intense form.

Independence is the ability to be self-reliant and
to refrain from becoming upset or influenced by the
actions of faulty hounds. The proper degree of independence
is displayed by the hound that concentrates
on running its game with no undue concern for its
running mates except to hark to them when they proclaim
a find or indicate progress by tonguing. Tailing,
or watching other hounds, is indication of lack of sufficient
independence. Ignoring other hounds completely
and refusing to hark to or move up with running
mates is indication of too much independence.

Cooperation is the ability to work harmoniously
with other hounds by doing as much of the work as
possible in an honest, ef ficient manner, yet being
aware of and honoring the accomplishments of running
mates without jealousy or disr uption of the
chase.

Competitive spirit is the desire to outdo running
mates. It is a borderline quality that is an asset only to
the hound that is able to keep it under control and to
concentrate on running the game rather than on beating
other hounds. The overly competitive hound lacks
such qualities as adaptability, patience, independence
and cooperation, and in its desire to excel is seldom
accurate.

Intelligence is that quality which influences a
hound to apply its talents efficiently, in the manner of
a skilled craftsman. The intelligent hound learns from
experience and seldom wastes time repeating mistakes.
Intelligence is indicated by ability to adapt to
changes in scenting conditions, to adapt and to control
its work with various types of running mates, and
to apply sound working principles toward accomplishing
the most under a variety of circumstances.

The hound that displays the aforementioned qualities
would be considered the Ideal Beagle for all purposes
afield, capable of ser ving as a field trial hound, a gun
dog or a member of a pack, on either rabbit or hare.

5-C Definitions—Faulty Actions

Quitting is a serious fault deser ving severe penalty
and, in its extreme form, elimination. Quitting indicates
lack of desire to hunt and succeed. It ranges
from refusing to run, to such lesser forms as lack of
perseverance, occasional letup of eagerness, and loafing
or watching other hounds in difficult situations.
Quitting is sometimes due to fatigue. Judges may temper
their distaste when a hound becomes fatigued and
eases off, if such a hound has been required to perform
substantially longer than those with which it is
running. During the running of a class, a hound may
have to face several fresh competitors in succession.
In such instances, a shor t rest period would be in
order. Otherwise, Judges should expect hounds to be
in condition to compete as long as necessar y to prove
their worthiness, and no hound that becomes unable
to go on should place over any immediate running
mate that is still able and willing to run.

Backtracking is the fault of following the trail in
the wrong direction. If persisted in for any substantial
time or distance it dese ves elimination. However,
hounds in competition sometimes take a backline
momentarily, or are led into it by faulty running
mates. Under these circumstances, Judges should
show leniency toward the hound that becomes aware
of its mistakes and makes a creditable correction.
Judges should be ver y cer tain before penalizing a
hound for backtracking and, if there is any doubt, take
sufficient time to prove it to be either right or wrong.
Backtracking indicates lack of ability to determine
direction of game travel.

Ghost trailing is pretending to have contact with a
trail and making progress where no trail exists, by
going through all the actions that indicate true trailing.
Some hounds are able to do this in a ver y convincing
manner and Judges, if suspicious, should make
the hound prove its claim.

Pottering is lack of effort or desire to make forward
progress on the trail. Hesitating, listlessness,
dawdling or lack of intent to make progress are marks
of the potterer.

Babbling is excessive or unnecessary tonguing.
The babbler often tongues the same trail over and
over, or tongues from excitement when casting in
attempting to regain the trail at losses.

Swinging is casting out too far and too soon from
the last point of contact, without first making an
attempt to regain scent near the loss. It is a gambling
action, quite often indicating over-competitiveness or
an attempt to gain unearned advantage over running
mates.

Skirting is purposely leaving the trail in an attempt
to gain a lead or avoid hazardous cover or hard work.
It is cutting out and around true trailing mates in an
attempt to intercept the trail ahead.

Leaving checks is failure to stay in the vicinity of a
loss and attempt to work it out, bounding off in hopes
of encountering the trail or new game. Leaving checks
denotes lack of patience and perseverance.

Running mute is failure to give tongue when making
progress on the line.

Tightness of mouth is a failure to give sufficient
tongue when making progress. This will often be evidenced
by the hound tightening up when pressed or
when going away from a check.

Racing is attempting to outfoot running mates
without regard for the trail. Racing hounds overshoot
the turns and generally spend more time off the trail
than on it.

Running hit or miss is attempting to make
progress without maintaining continuous contact with
the trail, or gambling to hit the trail ahead.

Lack of independence is a common fault that is
shown by watching other hounds and allowing them
to determine the course of action. Any action which
indicates undue concern for other hounds, except
when harking in, is cause for demerit.

Bounding off is rushing ahead when contact with
scent is made, without properly determining direction
of game travel.

5-D Credits
(1) Hounds shall be credited principally for their
positive accomplishments. The extent of any credit
should be governed by the magnitude of the accomplishment
and the manner in which it is achieved.
Credit is earned for searching ability, pursuing ability,
accuracy in trailing, proper use of voice, endurance,
adaptability, patience, determination, proper degree
of independence, cooperation, controlled competitive
spirit, intelligence displayed when searching or in
solving problems encountered along the trail and success
in accounting for game.
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 05:23:51 AM »
VC, very good!  :D

And if you find a beagle with ALL of those qualities, have it bronzed and put it on the mantel.  ;D

Some hounds cannot stand the pressure of working within a pack but will make very good singles.
Some hounds can work only in  a pack 'cause they're letting the other dogs do the work. Sometimes they're hard to spot unless you're familar with the pack.
 Ideally, a hound should be able to run his own rabbit but will work within the pack.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 11:58:03 PM »
When you find a hound with those qualities, they call it a Field Champion..........
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 05:06:41 PM »
O.K. I have to put in my cents on this. Their are alot of dogs that can run a rabbit alittle but the ONLY dog to do it right is a beagle period. I raise red n white AKC registered beagles and am very proud of my dogs but I would tell you to find someone in youre are that has GOOD RABBit dogs regardless of the papers and go watch them run a rabbit then buy the one that suits you. Remember A good dog can be youre best hunting buddy and bad one can live a long time  :o Good luck and have fun

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 08:53:34 PM »
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 03:49:21 PM »
Your welcome Joe.......

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 06:31:50 AM »
Well Joe, to say "getchu a beagle dog" doesn't really answer the question does it.  From VC's knowledgable posts, the fellow not only knows what type of dog to get, he also knows what to look for in that dog.  And it was free at no additional costs.  :D  :D  :D  ;)

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2007, 05:35:52 PM »
Free???? What the hell do you mean? Send the guy a bill!!! ;D
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2007, 05:53:02 AM »
Beagle!  One of the best I ever had was a pet, rabbit dog, and pheasant dog.  The dog was given to my son as a pet, it was mostly a house dog, but I took it out and found it was also a good rabbit dog.  One day while hunting rabbits he struck a poise like a bird dog, I thought he had gone crazy, but as I walked up to him a pheasant popped up.  I shot the bird, that was the start.  He continued to hunt and point pheasant for many years after that.  He had no training so the only reason I can find that he did this, was to please me.  He lived almost fourteen years, and hunted rabbits and pheasants right up to the day he died.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2008, 10:39:17 AM »
 He asked a simple question & the answer is a Beagle. Like stated above get one out of good hunting stock check how both sire & dam hunt. I  myself like good med.to fast dogs. Good luck on your beagle they are great dogs .

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2008, 01:52:26 PM »
Funny story:

Before I was born, my family was very religious and we had a priest that raised beagles.
He had all kinds of field trial dogs that did it all and were very good at it.
There was pens full of dogs behind the church and they even built a rabbit pen - about 5 acres behind the church - where he could leave his dogs go and not have to worry about them running off.

Once in a while he would get one that wasn't up to his standards.  Maybe they were the wrong color or a patch of color was in the wrong place.  He gave one such dog to my dad, they called her Spotty.

Spotty was a kids dog, we played with her so much that dad often worried that she wouldn't hunt.
Back then - 1960 - 70, there was so many rabbits where I lived that you often went out in the morning and shot your limit and went back out in the afternoon and shot 4 more.

Spotty would rather hunt than eat.  She didn't even want to come home at night and often they had to carry her home to get her to stop hunting.

The second dog we had, Sugar, was the same type.  Except Spotty was so good with kids that you could pull her ears and pull her tail and she wouldn't ever growl.  Sugar was the one that was always getting into fights with other dogs when we went hunting.

One day I was hunting with Sugar and I shot a rabbit and I didn't want to spend all day waiting for her to come back around to where I had shot the rabbit, because she sometimes cold trailed rabbits and you could be there all day - before she decides to give up on a rabbit track.

Well I field dressed the rabbit and I walked towards the dog to show her the dead rabbit, so maybe she would stop chasing it.  Low and behold - there was a second rabbit and there I was standing there with my teeth in my mouth!

How many dogs do you know of that would chase two rabbits at the same time.

She would go to one track and bark and then go to the other track and bark and that was how she brought the rabbits around to me.

I would like to see a dog air scent two rabbits at the same time.

My brothers dumb old Chesapeake Bay Retriever had a rabbit run right into her face last year and she wouldn't even bark at it - let alone chase it!  I guess it wasn't dignified enough for her to chase rabbits.

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2008, 05:54:21 PM »
I raise registered AKC gundogs so I am biased - Beagles!
I like the Blueback bloodline.
Release the hounds!

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2008, 02:46:12 AM »
without a doubt before you get a beagle you MUST see the sire and dame in the feild hunting and tracking.
realize there are a few different style of beagles and by styles i mean some are bred to walk a line with accuracy while some are bred to run and catch style which run fast but are sloppy at times.
be for warned 1 beagle will lead to 2 and soon you will have three.
if you like to watch a dog work a track and don't mind a time consuming chase to get the game back to the gun you may want to get a gundog brace style hound,if you like action and the sound of a dog moving quickly and won't mind the dog loseing a few due to overruning the a faster one would be a good choice,whatever you select just remember YOU have to be happy with it.
beaglers are more prone to always talking a dog down and always passing thier judgement around which can influence someone new to the breed

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2008, 03:39:12 AM »
somethin like these
Huntin buddies  rabbit fetchers and comic relief at home
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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2008, 02:22:50 PM »
  i like to use fox hounds

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Re: Best dog for rabbits?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2009, 09:39:57 AM »
My dad had several beagles some good some bad.But the best dog I have ever hunted rabbits with was my friends basset hound.Slow trailing so the rabbit didn't feel the need to run into the next county befor turning. And the rabbit just sort of came back by hop and stop then hop and stop , not going by running.