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Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« on: February 28, 2009, 03:09:50 PM »
Today the high was 35 degrees. 2/28/2009

I'm actually amazed that the 45 rocks compared to the 50 with the Lehigh 200grn bullets. 

140grns of BH209 with Federal 209A Primer and MMP sabots were used in both calibers.

50caliber avg velocity was = 2287
45caliber avg velocity was = 2523

Hunting season is a long way away. It's going to be very hard not to use this 45cal Knight Disc Elite.

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 04:05:39 PM »
Hows that old saying go again....?

Something RULES!!!!,  And something drools..... ;D 8) :D

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 04:22:30 PM »
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50caliber avg velocity was = 2287
45caliber avg velocity was = 2523

Ya, well if you live in Idaho your in trouble because the smallest projectile you can use for big game hunting is a .428... now you know why I only have 50's

But, your experiment brings up a great question why the difference?

Here is my hypothesis.... Like amounts of BH, being a smokeless progressive burning powder, - creates and maintains a greater pressure for a longer period of time in the smaller confines of the bore of the 45 cal vs the larger space in the 50 cal barrel, where the pressure will be reduced quicker as the projectile moves up the barrel.

Keep shooting muzzleloaders - they are a blast....

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 05:27:08 PM »
grouse


But, your experiment brings up a great question why the difference?

Here is my hypothesis.... Like amounts of BH, being a smokeless progressive burning powder, - creates and maintains a greater pressure for a longer period of time in the smaller confines of the bore of the 45 cal vs the larger space in the 50 cal barrel, where the pressure will be reduced quicker as the projectile moves up the barrel.


Sounds good, i really have been wondering.

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 05:32:53 PM »
I wonder what the results would be ifyou used 777 or pyrodex
I dont care what gun Im using as long as Im hunting

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 05:54:49 PM »
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I would be willing to bet the farm the velocity in the 45 will always be higher with the same amount of powder in the breech.  Usually that is why lower volume loads are suggested in a 45 cal than a 50 cal, to keep the pressure under the spec of the barrel.  The pressured will be increased in a smaller confinement than in a larger space.  The heavier the projectile the greater the initial pressure peak.
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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 11:36:53 PM »
How did they group? What I saw of your .45 at the range led me to believe it was going to be a real honey of a shooter. That .45 Elite may just be the ultimate PA propellerhead rifle. I feel the need.

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 02:54:44 AM »
How did they group? What I saw of your .45 at the range led me to believe it was going to be a real honey of a shooter. That .45 Elite may just be the ultimate PA propellerhead rifle. I feel the need.

The 50cal didnt group real well at those speeds. Probably 2". All the pics of the 45 are on another thread here. If you dont see it let me know and i will link it to you.

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 03:47:49 AM »
Found them Tom. Good shooting rifle,and fast too. You are doing nothing for this .45 itch I have. I bet that Shockwave would be a nasty whitetail load.

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 05:10:03 AM »
Thanks for the report Tom...

My new .45 SS Disc Elite is sitting at my brother-in-laws right now (in Tamaqua, PA).  Shipped it there to due to NJ's restrictive gun laws.  Muzzleloader out-of-state sales must go thru an FFL !  >:( (my dealer is in FL til April).  At this rate, it might be April before I pick it up...Looks like I'll be doing some digging out from snow for a while. ::)

Rob
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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 06:56:16 AM »
Thanks for the report Tom...

My new .45 SS Disc Elite is sitting at my brother-in-laws right now (in Tamaqua, PA).  Shipped it there to due to NJ's restrictive gun laws.  Muzzleloader out-of-state sales must go thru an FFL !  >:( (my dealer is in FL til April).  At this rate, it might be April before I pick it up...Looks like I'll be doing some digging out from snow for a while. ::)

Rob

Hey, i live in PA. Just have him ship it to me and i will get it shot in for ya.  ;)

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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 07:49:07 AM »
... your experiment brings up a great question why the difference?
Here is my hypothesis.... Like amounts of BH, being a smokeless progressive burning powder, - creates and maintains a greater pressure for a longer period of time in the smaller confines of the bore of the 45 cal vs the larger space in the 50 cal barrel, where the pressure will be reduced quicker as the projectile moves up the barrel.

 "10-4" on that one!
The gasses formed by a given amount of fuel reacting to oxidation is always going to try to expand at an also given (constant) rate.
Narrow the escape hatch (smaller bore) and the expanding gasses will create more pressure whilst trying to expand at the 'given' rate resulting in a higher velocity venting of the gasses.

Water from a garden hose exits much faster from a constricted nozzle than from an open hose end... not exactly the same geometry, but close enough for argument.

As you stated, in the larger bore the greater volume of space for the gas to expand into by a given distance of movement of the projectile which allows for the pressure to lessen more quickly... lower velocity resulting.

Jeez, I like .45's!   ;)
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Re: Knight Disc Elite 50 against 45.
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 04:27:56 AM »
Thanks for the report Tom...

My new .45 SS Disc Elite is sitting at my brother-in-laws right now (in Tamaqua, PA).  Shipped it there to due to NJ's restrictive gun laws.  Muzzleloader out-of-state sales must go thru an FFL !  >:( (my dealer is in FL til April).  At this rate, it might be April before I pick it up...Looks like I'll be doing some digging out from snow for a while. ::)

Rob

Hey, i live in PA. Just have him ship it to me and i will get it shot in for ya.  ;)


That's OK  ;)..  I need to to get my .50 Elite dialed in with BH209 first.    My 3 jugs of BH209 arrived.. My order of 250 SST's and short black MMP's should be here by mid-week.  Then, let the games begin !!! ;D
Rob C