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Offline greenmtnboy

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410 from 45-70 ???
« on: February 18, 2009, 05:39:10 AM »
Is it safe to shoot 410 ammo from a 45-70?  Im not so sure on this but thought id ask the pros ..
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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 06:03:40 AM »
Only if it is factory stamped 45-70/.410 ( which it won't be).
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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 08:58:14 AM »
If it fired it would very likely cause a ruptured case.  I recently was witness to such and it ain't no fun!!!  A .270 Win was mistakenly put in a 7mmRemMag and fired.  Fortunately the shooter and a close bystander were not seriously injured but they were both lucky.  The force broke the floor plate in half and blew out the magazine follower and spring from a Ruger 77 and locked the bolt up tight.  Don't know what would happen if it were a Contender or Encore, but I'd bet on the action being blown open.  OUCH!  Be Safe,  Walt  :o

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 09:33:27 AM »
Sounds like a NO for sure to me.   Thanks Guys
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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 02:08:19 PM »
I have reloaded 45-70 brass with shot.  It was reasonably successful at short range.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2009, 03:11:30 PM »
when i was a kid i had a 45-70 carbine and no idea what it was  but it shot 410's great so i thought it was a shotgun and used it for one and got a lot of small game and birds with it. (very young and stupid)
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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2009, 05:19:09 PM »
Torpedoman I have heard some older folks tell of carrying 410 shells in their pocket for the chance of small game while deer hunting with their 45-70 I got the impression it was not uncommon but I wouldn't advise it.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 11:57:44 PM »
It is common practice where there are lots of taisty forest grouse running around in deer season. A better idea is to make up shotshells in 45-70 cases. The range is still very short though because the rifling blows the pattern.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 03:00:21 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  Sounds like maybe the 45-70 loaded cases would be the best way to go,  if at all that is.   Im sure, like you say, the pattern wouldnt be the best from a rifled barrel tho.
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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 05:41:32 AM »
i am under the impression that it is the 45 long colt/.410 barrel that can
shoot the two interchangebly For those of us that hunt the north-woods for deer this would add a grouse round
as well. 410  works good on 'Pats" but i think a bit of practice out of a pistol would be in order.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 04:33:42 PM »
Have shot 2 1/2 inch out of my 14 inch barrel . Had to wrap the brass with tape to make it work . I have never tried the 3 inch and probably won't. Don't recommend it and this was done a long time ago.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 01:47:58 AM »
Sorry Guys, but I've just got to think that this is unsafe!  I tried to chamber a 3" .410 in 2 different TC barrels and 1 Handi and it just would not go, at least not without forcing it.  The forward end of the shell engaged the rifling at least a 1/2" before the shell chambered.  If it was forced all the way in and fired things would have to get mighty tight when the crimp on that shell opens up.  A 2.5" would chamber easily(so easily that it went past the extractor and hung up.  There was enough room for the shell to wobble around noticeably.  I miked the base of a .410 and a 45-70 and there was about .025" difference.  Enough space it would seem to me to cause a ruptured case.  I'm not trying to argue with those who have tried and done this, but it just seems to me to be asking for(in the words of Travis Tritt) T R O U B L E !!!

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 02:31:57 AM »
  I like the idea of loading up some 45-70 shotshells to use for small game while hunting with the 45-70.  I can't help but wonder how the shot would be effected by the rifling, or worse, how the rifling may be effected by putting shot through it.

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2009, 10:33:42 AM »
 jlwilliams,   try wrapping a piece of polyurathane opposite of the rifling before you put the shot in. You'll have to precut the poly to be long enough and to fit between the powder and shot wads. As it goes down the barrel the poly tends to stay tight and hold the shot together longer. I do this in my 44s and it works good and never leads. Try it-it can't hurt. Don't use too much powder or you will accomplish nothing.  Pat

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2009, 01:11:59 PM »
I have the (well known) T\C 45-410 barrel for my Contender. Now, for those with a 410 shotgun, please remember that these T\C barrels are made to shoot the 45 long colt rounds. I would not recommend anyone shoot a 45 long colt round in a 410 shotgun.

Now, I have been reloading Magtech 410 brass hulls for my T\C barrel using 1\2 oz of #6 shot. I have also "experimented" with and finally settled on a load for 000-buckshot. The Magtech brass hulls will hold 4 000-buck balls and, are quite accurate out to 50 yards. I get a MV of about 850 fps.

But, the point of my post is, my 10" T\C barrel has a choke in the end of it. The T\C barrel is rifled for the 45LC, and the purpose of the choke is to stop the shot cup from spinning before it leaves the barrel. (If you are shooting 45LC, you are suppose to remove the choke.) The "problem" with the rifling, and the spin it puts on the shot cup is as the shot pattern moves away from the barrel, and if it's spinning because of the rifling, the shot pattern will begin to open up like a doughnut. So, your shot pattern....if your aim is "dead on" will actually be all around your intended target....and you will "miss" what you are aiming at.

Now, I "suppose" (and i'm not sure I would try this, as the 45-70 is a tapered case....very slight taper....but tapered none the less) you could load a "shot-shell" type load in a 45-70 brass, chamber it, and shoot it.  But I think your still going to have the "doughnut effect" problems that i spoke of. Plus, your going to have pressure problems with squeezing the shot cup down the 45-70 tapered shell....and even this may lose pressure around the cup.

So, if you want to shoot a 410.....buy a shotgun....or the T\C Contender 45-410 barrel.

Dave

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Re: 410 from 45-70 ???
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 02:44:43 AM »




I have a 14"  45-410 that shoots great and plan on keeping it.  I also have a 45-70 and had heard of people that were shooting 410 from it.  I was just wondering if anyone else had tried it.  It seems the 45-70 case load is the best alturnative.    As always on GB I've learned a few things.
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