Sako - New "Key Concept"

[Zachary]

Well guys, I finally received the Sako 75 Stainless Synthetic in 7mm-08, and it's great. :grin:   I'll talk more about it in the near future.  In fact, I think that it would be helpful to make a new post called "Sako vs. Tikka" in order to provide members (who don't own both) with a relatively indepth perspective on the differences between the two.  In any event, the subject of this topic is just the new "Key Concept" that Sako has designed.

As most of you know, companies like Remington have designed a "lock" that is built directly into the bolt.  Some people like this for safety reasons, but it appears that the majority of hard-core shooters do not like it.  Although I am not aware of all of their reasons, it appears that one of the reasons is that the lock has some kind of affect on the "lock-time" of the firing pin.  I don't know if this is true - all I can tell you is what I have heard.

In any event, the Sako concept is similar in principle, but different in design.  Specifically, there is a rear part in the back of the bolt that appears can be taken out.  I haven't really used it yet, but I do have one complaint.  

My complaint is that this part makes a bit of a noise (like a "click" of sorts) when you move the gun up and down.  Is it loud?  No, but I don't think that a $1,000 rifle should make any noise.

What are your guys thoughts about internal bolt locks in general, and in the Remington and Sako in specific?  Do you like them?  Hate them?  Find them more useful than not?  Affect Performance?  Etc.?

Zachary

[eroyd]

I don't like anything that involves another key for myself to forget or lose.

[urika20]

It was that lock in the bolt that kept me from buying a 223 vls. I went to the Tikka continental 223 instead. I'm going to rant... it's the same as blade brakes on lawn mowers etc.  Tree hugging wackos. People in small cars telling me I should'nt own a truck or suv. Or PETA people saying animals should have more rights than humans! I,m tired of a few in this country dictating what they think is best for me. I feel bad when a child is hurt or killed by a firearm. But it is not the weapons fault. The blame should be placed in most cases on the owner of the firearm.

Any lock can fail or be bypassed, but proper instruction, training and disipline will last a lifetime. As the previous poster said, It's one more key to lose.

Ok i'm done, sorry guys but I feel a little better now.

urika20

[longwinters]

Here is my opinion on the key lock system.  We have 2 Sako rifles in the house.  Both with the key lock device and I must say . . . I have never used them nor intend to. By the way mine dont make any noise, And I do not even know where the keys are.  My youngest son has a Remington 700LSS with the lock system and my only warning to him was "Dont ever use it.  If you lose the key you are screwed!!!"  Next the ammo manufacturers will have a timing devise on their primers to give you 10 min, after the firing pin hits them, to give you a cooling down time just in case you change your mind about actually shooting the bullet! :roll:

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[Varmint Hunter]

10 minutes???
That seems a little too long. Could we negotiate for something shorter? Hunting can be tough enough.
10 minutes???
 :-D    :-D    :-D

[waldo]

An elk huntin' buddy got himself a new Rem a couple years back, and yes, it had the J-lock.  He, like most of us with rifles thus equipped locked it open and tossed the key prior to going up to the mountains.  Well, ol' Hal was real anxious to fill his cow tag with that new rifle opening morning.  And he might have if it hadn't been for me.  You see, I got a J-lock equipped rifle about the same time, and without thinking, tossed the key into my rifle tackle box.  Shame on me.  I locked up Hals rifle!!    Worse I did it right in front of him and a couple other guys! :-D  

You can guess how the rest unfolded.  Hal was helpless opening morning, pissed when he got home, and officially swore off those "remmington pieces of crap" by bed time.  The rest of us were having quite the time.  And wouldn't you know it, that damm thing seemed to work just fine for the rest of us!

Well, we finally let ol' Hal off the hook and he shot his cow on day two.  So no harm done.  BUT, I'd be a dead man if I hadn't had partners-in-crime on that one! :-D    :-D

[longwinters]

I typically am real easy going . . . but I would have been tempted to smash that rifle over the nearest boulder.  If I was a rich guy I probably would.  Then you guys would have really had a laugh :lol:  :lol:

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[Ron T.]

I agree with everything urika20 wrote… I wouldn’t buy a rifle, shotgun or pistol with a built-in lock… PERIOD!

It’s time to say, “NO MORE” to the gun-grabbers and do-gooders who keep pushing “feel-good” legislation.  They would happily eliminate or at least “gut” the 2nd Amendment if they could.

We don’t need locks on our guns, we need to LOCK UP more criminals and get the rest of the people to exercise some good ol’ “COMMON SENSE”.

Unfortunately, the “commons” are NOT very “common” anymore.  Things like “common sense”, “common courtesy”, “common decency” and “common values” (such as honor, integrity, ethics and principles) are slowly disappearing from our society.


Strength & Honor…

Ron T.

[urika20]

A-men Ron T. That's what I forgot in my rant. COMMON SENSE!


urika20

[swampdogger]

I own a sako 75 ss. also, my key's are locked up somewhere and that's where they will stay, but that's not the problem with the 75, it's the faulty safety in 20% of there 75's and TRG's that has me fum'n. See i own one of the 20%er's.  Rick.