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Offline mirage1988

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Job Situations- Part 2
« on: March 06, 2009, 03:21:01 PM »
How are the jobs in your area?,
 I was laid off in jan, went back to work for a former employer for a lot less pay, but it's work. Luckily my wife found a better job than what she had. It looks like we might be able to afford cable in a few months!

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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 04:04:52 PM »
There are a number of Minnesota employers who do a lot of hiring during recessions because it allows them to cherry pick candidates and pay them a lot less than their previous wage. Most employees soon resent this and find other work as soon as the job market improves, but we are lucky to have those employers because they really smooth out peaks and valleys.  Metro MN used to be a lot more recession resistant than it is now, despite the much larger population now. Today, with higher corporate taxes than everywhere in the world except Iowa, and an invasive set of state and local governments, a lot of companies have left, or at least moved a lot of jobs out of the metro. I remember back in 1989 the 3M campus in Woodbury had 14,000 employees. Today it's about a third of that, with most of the best jobs having been moved to Texas. TCF Bank just moved their headquarters to South Dakota. That's the trend. There are a lot of jobs in Sioux Falls because it's such an attractive place for employers. The businesses keep growing and they can't get enough workers.
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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 03:10:11 AM »
I disagree with the year 2000 figure, but that is by the way. The big picture is that other countries have realized that low corporate taxes create a magnetic effect that brings them business. Ireland, Singapore and South Korea are the biggest winners. These are prosperous countries with good wages. When Minnesota or Iowa has aggregate taxes on business of about 45% (which includes Federal taxes), it just cannot compete with states like Texas and South Dakota with their lower aggregate rates. And the US cannot compete with countries with tax rates in the 10 to 15 percent range found abroad today.

This not only has had the effect of drawing businesses away from the US, it has the major effect of drawing money for business expansion and investment out of the US. I believe this trend will continue because other countries are wising up, while our country is becoming less friendly to business.

One of the ironies of this comes from Ireland. Ireland as become a real darling in the past 25 years for starting businesses. This is largely because of the low corporate taxes and the high quality employees. However, as a percentage of GDP corporate income tax in Ireland is about 4%, while it is about 2% of GDP in the US. So Ireland benefits massively from the taxes it collects, yet is still objectively a low tax country when seen by a business man. Wow! Everybody does win!

In manufacturing, the country with the cheapest rate gets the business for a lot of things. Currently that means China for many consumer products. But for many other products it's Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. It keeps moving. Japan used to be the center for cheap labor, but today it is the center for manufacturing high quality goods, not cheap goods. Countries like South Korea, Singapore, and Ireland are getting companies and keeping them.

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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 03:22:59 AM »
I live in Michigan, it's about the same as California as far as unemployment.   I'm lucky enough to still be working for a large company,  my wife is working for 5th 3rd bank doing the balancing.  Not sure what will happen next,  but for now we are lucky and stashing every penny we have left after taxes for emegency.
We are holding on until there is a major change, which would be me losing my job if it gets bad enough. The place I work for just got done slimming down again, lots of people lost their jobs,  I lucked out. 
We've seen hard times before....10.8 percent unemployment back in the early 80's...the thing that bothers me is the plan to get out of this is the opposite from the plan back then...which was slashing taxes.  So I would imagine we are in for a rough ride. 

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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 03:47:30 AM »
once  the american  worker  gets  hungry

we  will  be competitive again

no  illegals  will  ''steal'' your job  because  then you will  work as hard as he  will

we  have spoiled our young workers  as our parrents spoiled  us

and our government has  robbed  from the rich to give to the poor

till  their  are no rich no more
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 04:12:40 AM »
I have to agree with you 45-70, I was working at the chicken kill plant 10 miles from here the other day, and they were going full tilt. They said they can't find enough help. I have heard alot of people say they would not work in a job like that. I guess they are either too good for that job or not hungry enough.
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Re: Job Situations- Part 2
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2009, 04:16:10 AM »
what  doesn't kill  us makes us stronger

i  hope  the democrats realize  that a gun law at this time might get  people killed
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.