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.458 Lott, getting mean.
« on: December 12, 2010, 07:01:14 AM »
So I decided to push some .458 405grn cast WNGC hard....  Got them (safely) up the 2850fps.  I thought about it for a second after I chrono'd it, recognized that number.  That is the same velocity I get with my -06 hunt load... but with only 165 grains of lead.  ;)

What I have to say is... thank god for for muzzle brakes.  Wild West Guns muzzle brake definitely one of the best I've ever tried.  Screwed the brake off to try what it felt like... my reaction: screw that!  right back on.  haha  ;D
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 07:36:53 AM »
SMOKIN!!  ;D
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 11:18:28 AM »
Why do we do this to ourselves????  Cause we can!!!  Maybe get 3K fps with the brake????    ;)
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 11:35:17 AM »
man, thats insane.

I made some 45/70 loads that moved the 405's at 1700 and something, and while manageable they were all I wanted out of an 1895G
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 11:40:18 AM »
Wow :D  Bet that load makes your insides jiggle ;D  Next question, is this load enough for whitetails ??? ;D

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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 03:55:17 PM »
Holy cow! That even beats the 460WM!!!

I use off the shelf 405gn (hard cast non-GC) and the only load that works in my 458WM is with Traiboss, and they only do 1000fps. They have a synthetic coating that is rated for 1700fps. I can get 1600fps with the same brand and type of projectile in 500gn - I wanna try these on my next pig hunting trip.

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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 07:53:31 AM »
Well... trailboss is more of a plinker/western powder if you ask me.... 

I usually stick with 335/4198/rl22/869 for my lott. 


I took some 350 grainers over 3000 fps with my 458.  After working that load up... I'm a little cautious to put anything bigger that fast - it was already plenty hot.  When you start talking a hundred grains of powder.... you don't usually need more.   ;D

I just use regular old cast performance bullets.  But from their website....

"Our bullets do not lead your bore. Our lube has allowed us to shoot our cast bullets in test rifles as fast as 3100 fps."

Hey, me too.  ;D
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 04:25:41 PM »
The price of copper projectiles made me try cast, but I'm not keen on casting them myself. With a gas check you can drive them at normal 458WM velocities, and 458Lott velocities as you point out. There is one company over here (Westcastings) that make a hard cast, coated lead projectile that is the correct diameter for my rifle - 0.459". The others are 0.458" which doesn't wotk in my rifle. Westcasting make two grades of projectile coating - one rated for 1700fps max and the other for 2300fps. The 1700fps version are more commonly available since this is all you need for western action style shooting with the 45/70.

If I got the 2300fps rated version I could use full house loads with the 500gns and slightly reduced with the 400gn.

Trying to come up with a load below 1700fps for the 400gn was a major headache - in effect I was trying to produce a reduced reduced load. The staight walled 458 cast and long throat of my CZ550 made ignition very erratic and the odd projectile got stuck in the barrel. Only a mid-range pistol powder worked (with a filler) but I was warned off using them by a fellow that explained the "ringed" chamber phenomina. Trailboss has about the same burn rate as the pistol powder I was using but almost fills the case up thereby preventing the chamber ringing issue. Anyway they are super cheap loads, accurate, heaps of fun (still kick up heaps of dust) and good for off-hand practice.

It wasn't my original intention to produce light loads but cheap loads. Although happen with what I ended up with.

I know what they mean when they say that the larger bores are very versitile - I have three categories of loads now: sub-sonic lead (good for ?), mid-range lead (500gn/1600fps) (good for pigs maybe?) and full house loads (good for dangerous big game).

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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 08:01:15 PM »
Have you tried 4895?  That is my usual go to when it comes to irregular reduced loads.  I've never used a filler and it is a very tolerant powder. 

Another trick is use a little bit of a faster burning pistol/shotgun powder like unique to give more even ignition in your main powder charge.

Oh and from the lawyers office... I don't ever recommend mixing powders and don't ever do so unless you know exactly what you are doing.... yadda yadda. 

I don't have to time or the pacience to cast for myself... So cast performance has always been a go to for me.  I've never had a problem with their products pushing them hard in my .458/.454, or whatever else. 
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 07:57:58 AM »
I think he meant H4895 for the reduced load.  I'm using that for 45-70 and 458WM with good results.  No erratic ignition that I can tell.  Accuracy varies with the load, but most are within 1.5 to 2 inches at 100y with a shaky hand, some almost cloverleaf.  Call Hodgdon and get the scoop on the reduced H4895 loads - they can be reduced by a surprising amount.

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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 08:13:19 PM »
What loads were you using and at what velocities?

I'd tried AR2205 (H/IMR4227 equivalent), AR2207 (IMR4198 equivalent), AR2206H (H/IMR4895 equivalent) and AR2208 (Varget/IMR4064 equivalent) and all made the cases sooty and had ignition problems. The AR2206H and AR2208 also left unburnt powder in the barrel. The CZ550 magnum that I have also has a long throat which doesn't help with ignition of the light loads.

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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 08:37:18 PM »
think you could do 3000 fps with a 300 gr with a 460wby ? safe ? recoil would still be about 80 ft lbs though i guess it doesnt matter with the accubrake
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Re: .458 Lott, getting mean.
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 08:44:28 PM »
If I can get 3000 in a .458 lott with a 350 grain, there should be no problem getting 3000 in a .460wb with a 300 grain. 
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