Author Topic: Is divorce the only route left ? (Read 1668 times)

ironglow · « **on:** March 03, 2009, 08:30:11 AM »

A law student wrote this bill of divorcement..is this our only option ?

http://www.arkansashunting.net/showthread.php?s=9b155be3411502904d70c1f8f5c8f739&p=598776#post598776

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2009, 09:52:53 AM »

Quite honestly yes I believe it is. I don't think the nation is saveable any longer. It needs to be ended and begun again anew just as it was the first time. We don't even need to write new documents to make it happen that job has already been done for us in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Just a few words changed here and there in the first to remove King Geoge's name and replace it with king osama obama's and it will work just as well now as then. Just dump the illegal admenments from the civil war days and the two about alcohol that cancelled each other out and it is as good to go now as it was then.

phalanx · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:40:41 PM »

GB ,the Ranchers around here say the same thing you just did.
They dont want to go back to like it was or how it is now.
Enough is Enough , this one blew it for them ,and we cant do business as useual any longer.

ironglow · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:06:32 AM »

A friend told me at church on Sunday that he was just at a gun owner's meeting. At the meeting, they said the new "stimulus bill' includes funds to register ALL privately owned guns..and re-register them every 5 years ! We, as (temporarily) free men, better decide whet we are going to do when this comes up. Are we going to register some, all, hide some or what.
We better be starting a plan of resistance now, if we are ever going to. If SOME hide them and are caught..they will go to jail. If EVERYBODY hides some..the "brownshirts" job will be very difficult.

" We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang seperately !" (Benjamin Franklin @ signing of Declaration of Independance)

We need slogan/reminders..such as "one for the road, and one for the toad"..meaning.. one registered with govt..and one put away where even a toad won't find it.. Maybe something like.." If you think 1776 was tough..stick around."

We need to publish storage container recipes (PVC & dessicant ?)..to be forewarned is to be forearmed

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2009, 07:11:24 AM »

Hiding them ain't gonna cut it. They can see them from satellites now in place even if you bury them. What you gotta do is make up your mind if you will LIVE FREE OR DIE those who decide to turn in or hide their guns will live awhile longer but is living in slavery better than death? NOT TO ME.

ihookem · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:45:09 PM »

I think we should never hide our guns! I am not ashamed to be a gun owner and if I hide them it seems I did something wrong. I think millions of people are thinking like Graybeard and others on this thread. If it was not true the gun stores wouldn't be selling guns the way they are. Ain't talkin bout huntn guns neither . I overheard a gun dealer Saturday mumble to a gun buyer "Any .223 auto is gone as fast as it comes through the door." ( nobody laughed and it was a serious atmosphere) We were all thinking the same thing too. It has come as reality that we are going to have to die again for our freedom, and frankly I don't want to die but I would hate myself if I let them take me away without a fight to my death if I had to give up even one gun. I won't do it. I would rather die. It's not the gun so much it's what is certain to come afterwards. It is not just the government neither , it's a "breed" of people that can't feed themselves or stand on their own two feet. This "breed " of people depend on subsidies from the government and if they ever stop getting that subsidy they will come into more well to do households and take anything they want and think nothing of killing the owners for a bag of food. My parents live seven miles from Milwaukee and there is 100,000 people just like this "breed " I'm talking about. That is very scary! I'm scared of that and it could happen very easily and very fast. I think the best thing you can do is buy more firearms and train our wives and kids to use them. We will no doubt need to fight back someday if this trend does not reverse. We better hope we have enough firepower to make our enemies know we will not under any agreement give up our guns. Under these conditions they might very well just leave us alone.

ironglow · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2009, 01:15:10 AM »

Basically my point was that if we are to insist and resist..we can't do it well individually. We must form our determinations now..over the internet and on a personal level, otherwise as Franklin said; we can hang seperately. If we don't plan ahead..the projected brownshirts will devour us piecemeal.
So we had better start planning now..just in case the Obumanation decides to usurp the Constitution..

phalanx · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2009, 10:46:05 AM »

Our new way of change!

BUSHMASTER1 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:22:53 AM »

Like my 13 year old Daughter reminded me, You can die on your feet or on your knees. I don't fear rioters or looters in the least. I fear the Government. BHO can instate martial law without Congress approval and suspend our Constitutional Rights. That scares me!!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:27:24 AM »

citizens have guns subjects don't .
change may not be for everyone

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:45:22 AM »

ihooKem said it pretty well,some of us old timers with not to much to lose just are going to say the hell with it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:52:07 AM »

some of us are to old to run ! to old to change !and to dumb to quit !

BUSHMASTER1 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2009, 10:13:48 AM »

Let 'em show up at the door to relocate my children to some FEMA/concentration camp. Won

't be pretty!

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:04:37 PM »

Kitchawan, bushmaster;
I sure have to agree with you about standing to it..I do plan to. As Shootall ans kitch said, we old geezers have little to lose with just a few years left. I sure would trade those years to keep my young ones free a bit longer. Besides, they can't be frighten me with an early trip Heaven..

4100FPS · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2009, 08:26:11 PM »

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Kitchawan, bushmaster;
I sure have to agree with you about standing to it..I do plan to. As Shootall ans kitch said, we old geezers have little to lose with just a few years left. I sure would trade those years to keep my young ones free a bit longer. Besides, they can't be frighten me with an early trip Heaven..

So who you guys going to go to war against? The United States Military? The boys from down the block that enlisted last spring? The Democrats? Half the people in your family that live in the metro area/s.

I've never been a liberal or a Democrat, but we just got through with the worst POTUS in the history of this country. The popular vote in each of his elections was won by the Democrats. They bitched, but I never herd such treason come from their mouths. You Staunch Republican Rush Limbaugh lovers always claim to be such Patriots. I heard from your section that this war with Iraq was just that he was supporting Solong I Beenhiden. Also you believed your leader that Iraq must be producing WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So your patriotism blossomed and your Cree to arms rang clear. Your circle never questioned Bush or his leaders (Cheney, Wolfowitz) You and Bushes war has now bankrupted this country, his policies have trashed the republican party, and now because you lost the election you want to take your ball and leave the field. Shame on all you patriots.

bilmac · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2009, 01:30:50 AM »

4100
Ever heard of the Constitution? It's the piece of paper that has distinguished this country from almost any other and made it the greatest nation on the earth. It is what gives men the opportunity to go from slave or surf to the top of the ladder in one or two generations, or even one lifetime. You ought to read it sometime, especially the Bill of Rights. It's not very long.

Then come on back and show us where it says that the Federal government has the right to steal from someone who works for a living and give his money to someone who won't work. Explain to us how the government can silence the likes of Rush Limbaugh or anyone else who doesn't agree with them, with something called a "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" Tell us how you can interpret the second amendment to say that you and I can't own firearms. Much of what the Federal Government is doing today is unconstitutional.

The Constitution does say that it is the role of the Federal Government to provide for the common defense, however, just like president Bush AND CONGRESS did.

4100 Please educate yourself a little bit rather than coming here and spouting BULLCRAP that you get from the 5:00 news.

ironglow · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2009, 01:40:43 AM »

4100
   I see that you just posted your first post here..or else you have been banned and am sneaking in under another handle. Makes no difference, in either case. It is curious however, how a fellow can "happen into' a hunting/shooting site and his first post is political..and swimming against the current at that ?
  Your rant sounds as if it is right out of the Algore playbook..you have the talking points well drilled into your jelly.
   You ask; "So who are you guys going to war against? The US military? The boys from down the block who enlisted last spring ?"

  That sophmoric statement sounds like someone who has never served in the military, didn't know your mission if you did serve. Those of us who have served in the military know better. We took an oath to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States...
   Our oath, unlike Nazi Germany and many Socialist/Communist countries, was not "to protect and defend THE FUEHRER"
   You had best check your historical notes concerning the 2000 election. Algore's allies, such as the NYT went down and counted the Florida votes..even after Democrat efforts to declare the military votes as unworthy.."Global Warming" Al STILL lost the popular vote. Perhaps it was because there were not nearly so many illegals voting in our election then.

BTW: Your statement about Rush Limbaugh, which you admit you gained from rumor...is totally incoherent and sounds like the ramblings of a crack user.

BTW II: It seems you are laboring under the idea that our military would attack our own people..shows again how out of touch you are..

In any case, you had here again best check with the CONSTITUTION..our presidents are elected by ELECTORAL votes, and campaigns are run with that in mind...DUH
   The libs are still whining about about "no WMD", despite there being much evidence that old "stretched neck" Saddam did have them.
  So YOU PROVE that he didn't have them..you debate just like some cults, trying to shift the burden of proof..

   You may well think that "W" was the worst POTUS in US history...you better stop those sleeping pills..old "Jimmie" took that title decades ago.
   ..But hold onto your twisted shorts..Jimmie may be unseated....
   Many of us suggested that it sometimes looks like Obuma could be a "sleeper" Muslim.. a "Manchurian candidate"...who knows ?
   ...But Let's look at his record so far:
   He could not have done a better job of screwing up the economy, producing class warfare, driving business ouit of the country and infringing upon constitutionl rights...had he been a Manchurian candidate !

4100: We are patriots, not mindless little comrades, sworn to protect a contemporary Stalin..

4100FPS · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:41:21 AM »

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

If you care to look Patriot ironglow: this is the stats for the 2000 presidential election. But I,m sure your wont because it's a left wing conspiracy to post such outlandish claims against all you believe in. Gore did win by 500,000 votes.

Talk about taking crack:

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BTW: Your statement about Rush Limbaugh, which you admit you gained from rumor...is totally incoherent and sounds like the ramblings of a crack user.

I said:

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You Staunch Republican Rush Limbaugh lovers always claim to be such Patriots.

where in that sentence was there an accusation or anything that could have come from a rumor?
If it ain't crack your on, it's just as nasty. Quite a rambling wasn't it.

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You may well think that "W" was the worst POTUS in US history...you better stop those sleeping pills..old "Jimmie" took that title decades ago.
..But hold onto your twisted shorts..Jimmie may be unseated....

Lets look at this rambling. History has had time to evaluate Jimmies presidency, the Dubya administration's fallout will continue for awhile yet. His legacy has yet to be written. I'm sure that by after enough time has pasted for clear reflection, even you right wing Rush Limbaugh lovers will see how lousy he was.

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[/ He could not have done a better job of screwing up the economy, producing class warfare, driving business ouit of the country and infringing upon constitutionl rights...had he been a Manchurian candidate !quote]

So are you better off now after 8 years of Dubya, or after 8 years of Clinton? BTW Obama's been in office for 7 weeks, Dubya was in office the previous 416. Do you think that doing nothing would have been better? FDR got the same criticisms after signing in the new deal.

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4100: We are patriots, not mindless little comrades, sworn to protect a contemporary Stalin..

If in fact you were military, your a disgrace to your county for even thinking treason to your county. You took an oath and are now publicly desecrating the constitution.

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4100
Ever heard of the Constitution? It's the piece of paper that has distinguished this country from almost any other and made it the greatest nation on the earth. It is what gives men the opportunity to go from slave or surf to the top of the ladder in one or two generations, or even one lifetime. You ought to read it sometime, especially the Bill of Rights. It's not very long.

bilmac, if your such a constitutional scholar and have any evidence that our congress is not upholding the constitution of the United States then by all means file a lawsuit. You should have no problem proving your case. Unless of course your just full of more BS.

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Then come on back and show us where it says that the Federal government has the right to steal from someone who works for a living and give his money to someone who won't work. Explain to us how the government can silence the likes of Rush Limbaugh or anyone else who doesn't agree with them, with something called a "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE"

This isn't a debate on taxation, but have you read any of the proposals for new taxation. Do you agree or disagree that our government needs to generate revenue. I'm sure you've just listened to your bar friends on this one. So I'll give your some insight. If you make less that $250,000 you'll not see an increase in taxation on your income. If your over that I feel that you benefit from living in the US and are tacking advantage of the opportunities this county has to offer. You should pay a fee for working the system.

As far a silencing Rush goes. Wow, if anything Obama's being elected has made him more vocal and mouthy. He's hilarious with his rants and I find his followers to be morons.

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Tell us how you can interpret the second amendment to say that you and I can't own firearms. Much of what the Federal Government is doing today is unconstitutional.

This is like taking candy away from a baby. Have I missed something? When was law signed by Obama that outlawed our guns? Name another law the Government passed that's unconstitutional? I'll answer that for you. None. you can't your just a frustrated old man that can't stand the fact that the majority of Americans voted on the other side of the isle than you.
You lost get over it. Man up. Be part of the solution not the problem.

Propagating treason on one hand then telling me I don't know the Constitution of the United States on the other is hypocritical at best.

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4100 Please educate yourself a little bit rather than coming here and spouting BULLCRAP that you get from the 5:00 news.

Did anything I write come from the news? Where did you get your edjamacation from, the bar? Maybe your a director of your local skin head gang and that's where your information comes from.

Both you losers come back on here when you want more schooling. I'll be happy to accommodate you.

ironglow · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:56:32 PM »

4100;
The sentence I referred to as possibly crack induced was " I HEARD from your section that this war was just because he was supporting Solong I Beenhiden"

What was it you heard (rumor) ?

What "section' are you talking about ?

"this war".. Which war ? ..Do you mean the one in Iraq that Obuma is seeing through to completion..or the one in Afghanistan, where he is introducing more troops ?

Who was on the side of this Solong I Beenhiden. ?

As for your "stats"..whether they are correct or not is a moot point, Pres Bush won the state of Florida. even the bleeding heart NY Times admitted that after THEIR long recount!
FYI: Elections here are decided by the electoral college, and campaigns are run tailored to that fact. If the popular vote was the end-all, be-all thay would both have run a very different campaign.. That's why the losers were called "Sore-Loosermen"..

I thought for a moment that TM was playing a game and posting under an assumed..but TM is better informed and speaks with more erudition.

4100FPS · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:16:23 PM »

Ironglow, I don't speak ******, so I'll try to decipher your questions.

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4100;
The sentence I referred to as possibly crack induced was " I HEARD from your section that this war was just because he was supporting Solong I Beenhiden"

What was it you heard (rumor) ?

The reason Dubya, attacked Iraq is because he wanted to avenge his Dad's blunder, and resulting price on George Seniors head placed by SoDamned Insane. Also Wolfowitz, and Cheney, had plotted for years to get a base in Iraq. We're there for the duration now.

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"this war".. Which war ? ..Do you mean the one in Iraq that Obuma seeing through to completion..or the one in Afghanistan, where he is introducing more troops ?

I'll write in Crayon's for you. I was talking about the Iraq war only. Did I ever mention Afghanistan? NO I DIDN'T DID I.

Obama's going to pull all the troops out of Iraq, Bush will be happy I'm sure as we will always have a base there now.

I never mentioned the Afghanistan War. I didn't write with a crayola though, My Bad.

Did you check my statement concerning the Vote for POTUS in 2000, I think you did. You found that you where wrong. As most right wing fanatics go I'm sure you have a valid reason why this happened.

EDITED by Matt to remove flame... DO NOT DO IT AGAIN

squirrellluck · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2009, 05:54:00 PM »

I really don't understand why someone who has the drive and ambition to succeed should be punished for making money. As far as working the system I would suggest a closer look at welfare, Able to work, healthy enough to work but rather let the government pay them for not working? Should government create revenue? To give away to those who pay no taxes, bail out folks with bad judgement, grow government? I have no problem giving to charity, I do regularly. However that is my choice not the government. These taxes will have a big effect on businesses.Which will translate into cutbacks in their workforce. Means less jobs.

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »

4100FPS I came oh so close to banning you after your first two posts. It appears you've gotten no better and perhaps just keep getting worse. I suggest you read and heed the rules around this place. I don't feel you'll be around very long with your attitude.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:11:00 PM »

Sounds like an equitable and amicable divorce to me. When can I sign ?? If they don’t want to sign right now, I’m open to immediate negotiations including complete capitulation on many of the itemized assets…

Anything to get away, doggon now….

ironglow · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:46:49 AM »

Let's see now, the libs can have the east and left coasts plus 200 miles inland..plus Chicago. We who are right ...and I mean RIGHT can take central US and the southern coast.
Anyone want to place bets on which would prosper and which would devolve into chaos ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2009, 07:49:59 AM »

easy now , some on the East coast don't want to be stuck !
and the fishing is great !

4100FPS · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:10:38 PM »

Greybeard, seems the moderator on here's a hypocrite. Had I joined in celabration with you bad boys spewing desent with our country I'm sure my remarks would have been OK.

For those of you who have fogot what the words meant:

I Pledge Allegiance I Promise to be faithful and true (Promise my loyalty)
to the flag to the emblem that stands for and represents
of the United States all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag
of America yet formed into a UNION of one Nation.
and to the Republic And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign,
for which it stands, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty.
one Nation under God, These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource" (according to the words of President Eisenhower)
Indivisible, and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history)
with Liberty The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",
and Justice And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle,
for All. And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

Thus it is that when you Pledge Allegiance to the United States Flag, You:
*Promise your loyalty to the Flag itself.
*Promise your loyalty to your own and the other 49 States.
*Promise your loyalty to the Government that unites us all,
Recognizing that we are ONE Nation under God,
That we can not or should not be divided or alone,
And understanding the right to Liberty and Justice belongs to ALL of us.

ironglow · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:15:51 PM »

  Shootall;
  I don't know where that falls..but I may have to move also, if I want to stay with the sane people.

  4100;
  your post #19..Your first answer is your own conclusions. The only ones backing you would be rabid leftists. They have been singing that same old tune since they lost in 2000. A charge such as that requires proof..but we have not seen a shred of proof from the looney left.
   You still have not answered my question as to who the "section" is; elucidate us peons please.

  No, you did not mention the Afghan war, but then you aren't the only one with posting privileges in this forum. It really must gall you lefties to finally realize (along with Obuma) that these wars were done for our long term security and now that he knows better, he is not pulling out of Iraq abruptly. Surely he will learn that there is more to the presidency than gathering a mob to demand their special "rights". The neighborhood rabble-rouser (read organizer) job has little relationship to the presidency..
You think you are a clever little rascal 4100..let me tell you a thing or two. You don't agree with Graybeard for sure, and there are even times when he and I don't see eye-to-eye'; but calling GB a 'hypocrite" is totally uncalled for. Where Graybeard stands..Graybeard leaves no doubt and he is CONSISTANT.
You just posted your post #5..I am posting #4971 and I can assure you, you little smart alek, that your attitude of ridiculing the good folks on here is uncalled for. Most of the guys on here know full well what the words mean and don't need a lecture from some snot-nosed, butt-kiss liberal.
Your speech pattern demonstrates that you are either too young or have led too sheltered a life to have the foggioest notion about real service to our nation.
Many of these guys have stood and defended that pledge which you claim they have no familiarity with. As far as I am concerned, you can take your posts over to the traitorous "Daily Kos" or Jane Fonda's house..

Cabin4 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:27:20 PM »

What about the governments pledge to us? Congrees, president and elected officials are not suppose to pass laws that violate our (the peoples) constitution. They broke that pledge first.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:30:24 PM »

Well 4100 is no longer with us. It seems he wasn't smart enough to take a hint from two admins having to take him to task so he is now banned from use of this site. He belongs on some pro-obama site anyway so maybe he'll find one to his liking.