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re: breaking dog following coyotes
« on: March 07, 2009, 03:49:27 AM »
Hello...

I'm having a problem with my Lab following coyote tracks and scent in the snow.  He is stubborn as all hell and will not come back.  I have to follow him, in some cases further and further down in the woods to get him to come back.  I am afraid one of these times he is not going to come back.

Here is my question:  what are member's experiences with the breaking scents on the market?  Are they an effective way to break a dog from following unwanted game species?  Cronk's in Maine (where I live) makes a particularly strong scent that I am thinking of getting.  The idea is that you put it on a scent pad attached to their collar for several days until they get sick of the coyote scent.  In theory this makes sense (no pun intended of course).  But does it work in reality?

Thanks in advance for your opinions,
Gary

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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 07:34:25 AM »
shock collar may do it and your right one of these days he'll follw or chase one who will draw him to the pack.
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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 07:54:26 AM »
  better break him..or the coyotes may do it..a shock collar, as Torpedo said..
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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 08:05:25 AM »
shock collar or put him in a 55 gal drum with a dead coyote and roll him down a hill . or put the scent on a cloth , blind fold the dog and each time he snlffs the cloth touch his nose with a shock stick   Thats how some rabbit hunters around here break their dogs from running deer ( they use a deer ) . And no i have never done it , i use the shock collar when needed .
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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 04:45:59 PM »
Hello from Georgia,

   I have heard of a method that seems to me to be near 100 % effective, yet have never had any personal experience with it. I have known a few professional coon hunters who have a method to break dogs from chasing deer, or anything else they do not want to be followed. They take the dogs afield and after setting up a trail of the undesired animal, they inject the dog with a substance that induces severe vomiting within a few minutes. Then, when on a good hot trail the dog will start to get sick while smelling the deer, or other undesirable critter and will relate that smell with the sickness. A few times of that and the dog will run from the smell that has made it sick. I am not sure what the injection consists of, but it is not serious and the dog recovers in a short time. This is pretty extreme, and some may say say unethical, yet from what I gather it is effective for the life of the dog.

   Another method consists of crating the dog in a wire crate which is then hooked up to a 12 volt car coil. The crate is then covered and the undesirable critter( likely dead) is put under the cover as well and the coil cranked up to administer a series of shocks which the dog can not escape. The dog will connect the smell of the undesirable with the shock and find it is not willing to withstand the pain the next time it smells such a critter.

   Yet another method is similiar to the 55 gallon drum mentioned above. I know a man who had a dog that would not stop killing chickens. He took a few of the dead birds, put them in a burlap sack along with the dog and then beat the sack with a few of the other dead chickens. As soon as the dog was loosed from the sack, he no longer had ANY interest in even going near a chicken. A bit extreme, yet effective.

   I am niether condoning nor condeming the methods mentioned here. I have never been personaly involved in them, but as a witness to some high performance and well trained dogs, they no doubt work. There are assuredly other methods that may be less traumatic to a dog, but hey, if they work, and the dog suffers no lasting harm, how can one say that it is wrong ?

   Just some thoughts from an old time hardcore dog man who above all else is a working dog lover.God Bless You All !!

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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2009, 03:45:04 AM »
 I have heard of all except the drug injection..not saying it never happened, just never heard of it. I also heard of tying a dead chicken about a dog's neck until the dog got sick of it..haven't seen or done it though. The coon hunters I know all now use the shock collars..
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Re: re: breaking dog following coyotes
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2009, 08:31:43 PM »
Good Day, I have tried the " chicken around the collar". All that accomplished was the dog got a good meal. Left it hanging on her till it was so rotten everythign fell off but the legs, turned her loose and back to chicken chasing we went. The shock collar made a believer out of her. Growing up in coon hunting country I seen the 55 gallon barrel filled with deer scent and rolled down a big hill used. It worked as well................Bill