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Offline mtrude

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« on: October 23, 2003, 03:11:50 PM »
Hello , well today I harvested my first whitetail deer with a pistol. It weighed between 125 and 150 pounds. The buck contest people called it a 4 point but its really a goofy looking spike. It was a 20 to 25 yard shot from a treestand with a Ruger Blackhawk in 357, 158 grain JSP. The shot hit the heart and the deer  ran about 75 yards with a very lite blood trail,  it was dead when I found it about 30 minutes after the shot. Im pretty happy with the whole deal.

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2003, 03:19:11 PM »
I took a large doe last year w. a Ruger GP100. It's a great feeling to be the first in my group to take a deer with a handgun, and with a cartridge I cooked up and loaded on my own. Hope to do it again this year. But enough about me....

Congratulation!!!

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2003, 03:22:52 PM »
Congratulations on your deer.  I killed my first couple of handgun deer last year with my Freedom Arms 454 and some reloads that Hitman and I loaded.  Great feeling and look forward to getting some more this year.  Have fun.  GS

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2003, 06:58:31 PM »
Congrats to ya!!
It's quite a rush and makes the rifle guys eyes big when ya tell them!  :)  Took my second deer with a handgun this year also.

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 12:59:26 AM »
Congrats! This year will be my first with a handgun also. A SRH in .454
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 02:13:10 AM »
congrats! trying to get one myself this year
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 09:08:08 AM »
CONGRATS  :grin:
Yoy are hooked now pardner.  Handgun hunting is the only way to fly. IMHO
I have a new Super Blackhawk Hunter 44 mag that is dying to go deer hunting.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 12:43:25 PM »
Congrats!!!  Now you are addicted!! :grin:

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2003, 01:40:58 PM »
congrats!! :)
but can you give more info?
where did you hit the deer?
from what angle  did the bullet enter and what was the internal damage ?
did the deer show any reaction?
did the bullet exit and if it did where?
any other info?
did you find the bullet?

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2003, 02:17:32 PM »
Way to go Mtrude!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 04:04:08 PM »
Congratulations, I hope to do the same this year.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2003, 01:28:52 AM »
Hello and thanks for all the replies. Here are the details as I remember them as the deer is at the shop to be proccesed. The bullet went into the left side of the deer about 8-10 inches up from the bottom of the chest and just behind the the shoulder. I was in a 10 foot treestand so the shot was angled down some , I was standing, as was the the deer so roughly a 10 foot drop over 20 yards. It was a broadside shot and the bullet went thru the chest cavity out the other side slightly lower and was not recovered. As far as I can tell no bone was hit not even a rib.The deer jumped and kicked its hind legs at the shot and then ran off with its tail down. At first I thought I missed as a blood trail could not be found. It was a slow search as the blood did not show well on the fallen leaves. There was not much of a blood trail maybe 20 or so drops over the 75 yards it traveled before collapsing. The bullet went through the top half of the heart and the chest cavity was full of blood when I opened it . I expected a little more "knock down power " and reaction from the deer only in that it was relatively close and not a large animal. But as I think about it  the bullet did what it should have, entered the chest cavity, did physical damage and damage through hydrostatic shock and held together well enough to exit the animal to leave a blood trail.Maybe it being a 158 gr. JSP bullet (PMC factory) allowed the penetration without much expansion as it didnt hit anything hard? Maybe it did expand as the heart was badly damaged? Only the bullet would tell and thats not available.I am still puzzled by the lack of blood trail,  I realize the limitations of the 357 in velocity and energy but if the lungs  and bone were "missed" is this the type/amount of blood trail to be expected? Does anyone have any experience with this round or know its velocity?  Oh the questions,  Im always learning.Thanks for the consideration, Im not an expert, but theres my story and Im sticking to it. Have fun, Mike Trude

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2003, 02:56:13 AM »
It sound like you did fine.

The heart shot will sometimes not bleed like you would expect.  Realize that you took out the pump.  If you had happend to hit a mojor artery or lung which is full of blood vessels the heart (pump) combined with a supercharged shock of adrenlyn would quickly bleed out deer and possibly give a better blood trail.

You made a good shot and recovered your deer...can you ask for more?

Nice job.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2003, 04:00:38 AM »
sound like you made an outstanding shot!   congratulations.  i once shot a deer with a 357 and the results were not so good.  i know i put a great hit on it but it left no blood trail.  distance was about 30 feet and the shot was supported.   i was shocked when i couldnt find blood.  i looked and looked, my dad kept telling me "you misssed".  no way.   i got too much experience and what i saw tells me different.   anyhow, my point is that my experince is similar to your in no blood trail; however you found your deer.  
 alot of folks who know through experience say that for the best results the caliber should start with the number 4.   the one experince i had was enough for me, i now use either a 44 or 454.   i like blood trails that a blind man can follow; hopefully in a week i will be able to make a post similar to yours anouncing my success!  
  GOOD JOB!

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2003, 05:25:23 AM »
mtrude
it sounds like that 357 did exactly what it was supposed to do, the bullet exited, the deer died, from a single gunshot. Somebody is bound to bring up the fact, the hollowpoint bullets might have left to a larger blood trail, but I will point out right now, that extra expansion, comes at a cost of lower penetration, and your deer might, repeat might, have dropped faster with a hollowpoint but I doubt he would have got an exit wound.
My brother-in-law Hunts with 357 mag marlin Carbine. He tried hollowpoint bullets, and immediately went back to soft points because the hollowpoint's did not exit.  As you get more experience with a handgun, you'll find several deer can be hit/shot  identically with the identical ammo and your results will vary. From the evidence you given, I would stay with the load you are using presently, and look forward to many more dead deer.
I use of 445 supermag, the 300 grain bullets I use are pushed between 1200 fps-1500fps I normally get a very good blood trail, and a good exit wound, but even with more than twice the power and more than twice the bullet weight, I occasionally get a deer that runs.  Granted the distance is usually very short(10-30 yd.s) but you're not going to get the kind of results you'd get  useing a high velocity rifle like the 257 weatherby magnum(deer collapse of the shot) when you're using a handgun, using a handgun is a little bit more like archery in that it takes a few seconds for the deer to bleed out.  So I repeat.  Your results were excellent, your,shot was excellent, you did everything right, you got very common results for the equipment you used, going to larger caliber, will tend to shorten the blood trails.  But going to larger caliber handgun is not likely to get you better results on deer.  It's hard to improve on a single shot and dead deer!

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2003, 01:54:31 AM »
CONGRATS! For your first deer. Now you are hooked. You did good, one shot one deer! To answer your question, all deer are diferent. The best you can hope for is to put them down quickly. That means putting the boolet in the right place. Which means practice, practice, practice. Then hope the deer coperates. Blood trails are hard to follow in the fall leaves. How well I know. Congrats again and just try your best to put the boolet where it does the most good.
Praise GOD, and pass the ammo!

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2003, 05:02:46 AM »
Nice job.

Free advice, not just for the benefit of us here, but for you...

Try and remember to always hunt with a small notebook and pencil. Ink from a ball-point will fade with time but a pencil won't.

take a few moments to write down hunt details, before during and after your hunts. Scouting, woods-walking. Use a big rubber band to attach it to your camera, so you'll always have both.

Weather conditions, wind and light, stand location and direction, clothes, scents, decoy & bait details? Your stand approach - how high, what went wrong/right?. The gun, the load details. Birds sighted or heard? other species seen (including other hunters), what were they doing?

Then when you drop your animal, all the details of the approach, how much time from sighting to shot, did you use a good rest? was he looking at you or away? what happened after the shot, did he run? how far? bullet performance? What you'll need to remember next time?

So much of this information is forgotten so fast, you'll find yourself pulling out 'the book' in the dead of winter, preparing for another year's seasons, even at work when you need a "moment of escape"! Try taking notes with the perspective that you'll be telling a story with them someday.

Not only will you keep memories fresh and accurate,  you'll also have a log to pass on to your kids, to help spark their interests and let them know just what kind of a hunter you really were, long after you're able to tell them.

Good Hunting!

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2003, 03:01:10 AM »
mtrude;
It's nice to see another handgun hunter that uses a .357 mag. for whitetails.
I also use a Ruger Blackhawk in .357mag with 158gr. but I use JHP's.
Sounds like you did everything right. Nice going.

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2003, 10:07:46 AM »
I like the notebook idea , It would be something to do while giving the deer a chance to lie down after the shot. It would be a useful tool in planning future hunts too, its too bad we quickly forget  the details. Ive seen waterproof writing pads in motorcycle accessory catalogs. Thanks Mike Trude

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2003, 11:26:40 AM »
Mtrude:

Contratulations!!! Did you take it with iron sights? or a scope? What distance?  Did you shoot it from a tree stand?  How did the bullet perform, did you get full penetration? Any blood trail?  I thirst for details!!!
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2003, 12:27:33 PM »
Hello, No scope was used , The barrel length is 6-1/2 inches. All the other details are posted above.  Id be glad to tell the story again but I dont want to wear out my welcome! Thanks Mike Trude

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2003, 12:50:50 PM »
congrats to you on your deer.  I was hopeing to do the same this year but I will have to wait till next year to get my first with a handgun because here is NJ you can't hunt with a handgun :evil: .   So I usually go to PA and hunt them up there. But I can't go this year so I will have to wait till next year.

Well congrats to ya on a fine shot and so good eating.

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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2003, 08:56:49 AM »
mtrude, over the years i have taken the heart out of a few deer and just about every one of them the jump and kick thing. the only two i can say didn't was a quarting away shot with 44mag and the deer was doing one of them belly drag runs trying to sneak away. he had walked up to the back side of my stand befroe realizing his mistake.the other one was taken at 117 yds. with a rifle and trying to do a sneak run across a slash.
 congrats on your first handgun kill. nothing like the thrill of the first kill with a new weapon.
be safe and god bless
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2003, 04:56:38 PM »
Congratulations on a good shot and a successful recovery.. I took my first handgun deer 15 years ago with a .45 Colt Blackhawk..It was a small buck and it got me hooked. I took several more deer with  the .44 Mag S&W. Then I got a little cocky and shot a spike with my 4 in S&W Mountain gun with a 158g Hornady hollowpoint. The shot was 25 yards back of the shoulder and did not exit, but the little buck expired on the spot. The next season after that I looked behind me from a high tree stand after hearing a loud pawing noise and spied a 200 pound old buck.. He was a whopper and I made a stupid decision. I had a Springfield .30-06 Sporter across my lap, but I drew the 4 inch .357 and  I shot him in the shoulder with a 158g Xtp and he lumbered off never to be seen again..No blood trail..The only load in .357 I will now use on deer  use is a 170g hollowpoint or softpoint, and no XTP bullets..Live and learn. Mostly I go with Contenders these days and shoot .357 Herrett and .35 Remington as well as 7MM Super bower in the 14 inch lengths and 7x30 Waters or again .35 Remington in carbine barrels.. These rounds have not failed to completely penetrate up to 160 pound class animals and leave a substantial blood trail if any is needed at all... Keep them in the ten ring.. Gun  control means hitting what you aim at. My thoughts  anyway and I hope they help somone. Cbagman
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2003, 07:01:47 AM »
Conratulations! Nice to have another hangunner join us. Great posts and support from the other guys too. Nice to hear it.
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2003, 01:59:47 AM »
Well you are really hooked now.I killed my first (muledeer) in 1996 and have not picked up a long gun for deer hunting since.The main thing is to practice every chance you get. :-)

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2003, 05:04:10 PM »
Congratulations. If your standard rifle toting deer hunting is getting boring, you have just found a way to kick it back up! I have not used a rifle in three years. I have had good success and have never felt handicapped hunting with a handgun.

I always smile when the other guys shake their heads at me but I like to smile more when I bring the deer back in.
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