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Offline waynef

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Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« on: March 15, 2009, 12:56:31 PM »
Ok all u "History Detectives".
I found this Cannon on my way home last week (took a little detour). Can u Identify where this gun is located and what it is???

Wayne

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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2009, 01:18:48 PM »
That's a US Model 1857 12-Pounder Napoleon. I have no idea where it is located.

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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 01:38:43 PM »
Best I can do, based on the length of the shadows is Northeast US  probably small town New York state..
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 03:16:30 PM »
     This Sealtest Ice Cream Shop , I believe, is in Carthage, NC, although the "Coastal Georgia" sign threw me off the trail for a while.  With current cars and trucks in the mix, I would say 12 Pdr. 1857 Light Gun-Howitzer, looking at the muzzle, probably Confederate located in Carthage, North Carolina.  Maybe???????    That's a tough one, waynef, very tough.

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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 03:25:23 PM »
Almost looks like a load of snow in the white "Dually" PU   ???
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 03:41:41 PM »
I'm going with Dublin, Va?

Not sure, but I have a hunch  ;)
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 03:43:32 PM »
There used to be sealtest icecream places here in michigan but I havent seen one in years but I could be wrong in the big urban areas
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2009, 04:00:56 PM »
My first guess would be Sylvania GA.  The license plate behind the cannon is black on white (GA is too.)  There also appears to be a tiny bit of orangy color in middle of plate, and the standard GA plate has a color picture of a peach with a peach color.  If we take the observation about the "coastal GA" sign, Sylvania is within 50 miles of the coast, I think.  I thought Sealtest had plants from the Midwest to New England, which would make GA a bit far from that strip of plants, but who knows, I decided not to rule out GA just for that.  I think Sylvania and Wanesboro GA each have three Napoleons, but Waynesboro is further from the coast.  If I could just read the phone area code on that glass door this would have been easier.  I can't be sure at all but the AC might be 404 (GA again.)  I can't read any of the cannons's muzzle marks, or this would have been really easy.
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 12:07:33 AM »
Quote from: DoktorD on March 15, 2009, 03:41:41 PM
I'm going with Dublin, Va?

Not sure, but I have a hunch  ;)

Nope.  Dublin's 'business district' isn't that well developed.  No cannons there that I know of (it's 7 miles up the road from Pulaski).

Note the stone faced building - perhaps limestone.  Might could be in a ways from the coast.
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 09:38:06 AM »


I wondered if someone would be able to pull the license plate or the phone # on the door.

Attached is a picture of the muzzle, the end u point at the Yankees and yes it is a 12lb Nepoleon.
No. 103 is the serial nimber: the initials of the founder who made it: Henry N. Hooper and Co. of Boston, Mass; the wt is 1,228lbs; and the date it was produced :1863. inspected by TJR, Thomas Jackson Rodman, chief of the artillery of the US Army.
The carriage is made by PBO, Paulson Brothers and is an all metal carriage. Looks very much like wood.

The location is Screven Co., Sylvania, GA. Nice going Cannonmn!!!

Can't get much by u guys...

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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 10:19:04 AM »
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TJR, Thomas Jackson Rodman, chief of the artillery of the US Army.

He was actually Commander and Superintendent of Watertown (MA) Arsenal all during the Civil War.  Since Boston and HNH foundry was nearby, he was the inspector for guns made for the Army in that area.  Come to think of it, he was awfully busy designing his 20-in. gun at that time, and I'm surprised he was still acting as inspector. 

Inspecting a cannon wasn't just walking up to it with a clipboard and checking off a few things, it involved primarily taking about 100 measurements, very accurately, checking squareness of trunnions, inspecting bore, etc. etc.  and took a long time for each gun so inspected.  All the measurements were entered on "proof sheets" which are still in the National Archives.  I'd almost be sure he had one or more assistant inspectors he trusted 100% who would do the dogwork, then he'd review the measurements, any problems, then sign the sheet.  When I have time I'll pull up some photos of proofsheets and see if I can find one he signed.
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 12:14:03 PM »
I tried enlarging the picture, but it pixleated before I could read anything
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Re: Can you Identify Where & What Cannon ?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 09:42:45 AM »
Looks like one at Winchester VA
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