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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2009, 01:59:41 PM »
I watched my dad die from Parkinson's disease.  I have mixed thoughts. If the embryo is going to be destroyed, then they should be put to a better use than just being discarded.

Private money can be used just no tax dollars. My dad also died from Parkinson's. I have no mixed feelings on the governments role.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2009, 03:40:53 PM »
I watched my dad die from Parkinson's disease.  I have mixed thoughts. If the embryo is going to be destroyed, then they should be put to a better use than just being discarded.



and  if  GOVERNMENT doesn't  do  it  it WON'T  gat done

i  have diabetes
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THATS HOW THINGS ARE DONE NOW
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2009, 04:43:02 AM »
Like I said before, the liberal scum wants to be able to kill babies in the hopes of lengthening their lives. I have no fear of dying, I know that it is not the end for me. Now alot of you pro baby killers do have alot to fear from death, because whether you believe it or not, death is not the end for you either. I have a promise of where I am going and I do not fear it. Now I'd just be guessing that a whole lot of you have rejected this promise and the place you wil be spending eternity will be a very very bad place.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2009, 05:22:38 AM »
Now, can you name one organization, one country, one demonstration, one world leader, one riot, one movement, ...out on the street demanding a healthcare system like ours.?

..TM7
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I don't want to take the time to find that out because it's 100% meaningless to me. I could care less what people in other countries want or don't want. People marching in the streets for the government to provide healthcare are people looking for a free hand out at tax payers exspence. So marching on this subject is easy and self serving.

Your not getting my point TM. I want to keep the government out of it all. They will hose it up for everyone.


Its "pointless?" insofar that you won't find any country of group clamoring for a healthcare system just like ours and you know that. I see no where in the Constitution wherein a collective approach to healthcare systems is banned. It is sometimes the intrusion of private powerful oligarchs that screw up government, too...since currently they own government.

So, I've made a point that many socialized society's are more incentivized to find cures than to find profits and this is not really an arguable point....But progress is hindered when people remained harnessed to a dichotomous view of economics, capitalism versus socialism and such.
In the example of NASA mentioned, one of many, we see a system optimizing both forces of the private sector and public sector thru government spending and sponsorship to achieve a goal. This model could easily be established to research (basic and applied) and develop solutions to issues that society demands...cure for cancer, cure for diabetes, or freeing energy dicoveries, etc., etc.

...TM7



TM,

I selected a few points to respond to:

1. You may be very well correct that other countries are not demanding our entire health care delivery system. But the world is benefiting from our research. Consumers of health care likely are not able to see or make this connection. But it is in fact there.

2. I get your point about capitalisms drive for profit over what may be the best for a particular case. But again, I take capitalism for all its good and bad. People need to educate themselves and stop being so dependent on the government for solutions. I believe a socialized health care system will create more problems than it will solve.

I will never back off these principals about socialized practices and policy of government in anything. It’s a cancer and it does not stop at health care. Our government, as are most in the world, corrupted by politicians needs to gain power, influence and control over the people. Allowing the government to own & run our health care will only give them another weapon against the people.

Yes, there is nothing in the constitution banning governments role in taking over our entire health care system. But it is clearly contra to capitalism and the desire of our founding fathers for a smaller less intrusive government and the principals of self reliance.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2009, 08:48:45 AM »
TM7 I would imagaine you don't. But as I said before whether you beleive it or not death is not the end.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2009, 10:34:51 AM »
BTW....Billy.....I really don't know what you're talking about...!

You are not alone on that!!! Take away the phrases "baby killers" and "liberal scum " and Billy has nothing to say.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2009, 10:43:24 AM »
I'm sure neither of you do! I'm sure you all want life as you understand it, to last as long as possible. If I were in the same position as you I would be concerned with that also. I'm more concerned about what happens after.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2009, 10:47:32 AM »
I'm sure neither of you do! I'm sure you all want life as you understand it, to last as long as possible. If I were in the same position as you I would be concerned with that also. I'm more concerned about what happens after.

Are you saying that if I stand I'll change my position ?
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2009, 10:54:28 AM »
I'm saying that you cannot understand it is beyond your level. My position is the only right one. No need to look at any others.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2009, 11:05:54 AM »
NICE TRY - WON'T WORK
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2009, 11:08:41 AM »
 This is a really hard topic. Some opposing stem cell research oppose it because it uses aborted fetuses. That is my stand. Pro-abortion people know it is wrong, and are using "stem cell research" to make them feel a little better. I'm not sure about the 'extra' fetuses that are produced from leftover sperm and eggs at a fertility clinic. Do they have a soul, do they have a 'choice'?

 There is no proof that "stem cell research" actually works. The research has still been going on, in private labs, and overseas, and they report that results are still years away. The liberal press wants us to believe that unless the gov't pays for research, it isn't happening, that is B.S.

 Where do we draw the line at playing God? Are organ transplants and blood tranfusions the same as SSR? They have saved countless lives, and are morally acceptable for most people.

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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2009, 11:08:49 AM »
I'm not against understanding ideas from other countries but I will draw the line when it comes to the government’s role.

I do not work directly for the government and never will. I'd rather starve to death then work for the enemy.
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2009, 11:29:24 AM »
Seems that there is evidence that mature stem cells has proven to be more beneficial than embryonic.

Please feel free to show me i'm wrong, but it is what I have heard in the news for what that is worth.

I'm all for research that will improve life for everyone, I fear we jump on a slippery slope!
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2009, 11:39:01 AM »


I'm all for research that will improve life for everyone, I fear we jump on a slippery slope!

-My point exactly!

 I don't pay income tax to pay for "research" though! The Gov't needs to stay out. Like I said above, abortionists need to feel that something good can come from killing babies, that is why they support SSR.

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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2009, 12:38:34 PM »


I'm all for research that will improve life for everyone, I fear we jump on a slippery slope!

-My point exactly!

 I don't pay income tax to pay for "research" though! The Gov't needs to stay out. Like I said above, abortionists need to feel that something good can come from killing babies, that is why they support SSR.

I'm curiuos, what's the connection between abortion and SSR you keep eluding to?
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2009, 12:42:29 PM »
They "harvest" fetuses for stem cells. Where did you think they came from?

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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2009, 12:46:33 PM »
Oh, sorry-
They use "embryos" for stem cells.

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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2009, 12:52:59 PM »
 This is a touchy subject for me because my wife and I have been trying to have a baby for a while, unfortunately she has a hormone imbalance that makes it difficult to get pregnant.

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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2009, 01:10:09 PM »
no  one has mentioned  the status of stem cell research

the  liberals  are  just doing  what liberals  do

INCLUDEING  THE LIBERALS ON THIS SITE

they  think  it can't happen with out government

bush left  it to free interprize  and  made  anti-obortion people  happy
obama  now has expanded the reach of government......violating the 10 ammentment

now  labs are  reaching  their  hand out for your money
and  they WILL  kill babied with  your  money

i  personally don't care  about  the  unwanted babies
but if i held  the beleifs  most of  you do
i  couldn't  moraley  pay taxes

i  don't think  the government involment will help  and possably hinder
a  cure  for  my diabetes
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2009, 01:21:58 PM »
no  one has mentioned  the status of stem cell research


Actually 45-70- I believe I did:[quote author=mirage1988 link=topic=167441.msg1098772095#msg1098772095 date=123715132

 There is no proof that "stem cell research" actually works. The research has still been going on, in private labs, and overseas, and they report that results are still years away. The liberal press wants us to believe that unless the gov't pays for research, it isn't happening, that is B.S.

 Where do we draw the line at playing God? Are organ transplants and blood tranfusions the same as SSR? They have saved countless lives, and are morally acceptable for most people.
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2009, 01:24:48 PM »
They "harvest" fetuses for stem cells. Where did you think they came from?

Hook, line & sinker.
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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2009, 01:36:36 PM »
Like I said in post# 3, why don't you put your own opinion out there cabin4? I thought swampy was obnoxious until I realized that he stands behind his statements. You ask everyone else for their thoughts, but don't offer yours. I still havn't been able to figure out if you are liberal or conservative.

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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2009, 01:55:48 PM »
Like I said in post# 3, why don't you put your own opinion out there cabin4? I thought swampy was obnoxious until I realized that he stands behind his statements. You ask everyone else for their thoughts, but don't offer yours. I still havn't been able to figure out if you are liberal or conservative.

If you read post #8 back on page 1 you'll know my opinion. Other follow up posts should be very clear of my position on this. You said I won't offer my opinion but I think these make my opinion crystal clear.

I'm neither a liberal or a conservative as these terms have been redefined by modern politics.
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« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2009, 02:36:39 PM »
You state that no tax dollars should pay for it, fair enough, Is It right or wrong, irregardless of who pays for it?

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« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2009, 02:49:46 PM »
Quote from: billy_56081 link=topic=167441.msg 1098772082#msg 1098772082 date=1237150468
I'm saying that you cannot understand it is beyond your level. My position is the only right one. No need to look at any others.
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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2009, 02:59:03 PM »
You state that no tax dollars should pay for it, fair enough, Is It right or wrong, irregardless of who pays for it?

It's wrong, but none of my business.
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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2009, 03:06:13 PM »
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these terms have been redefined by modern politics.

Not interested in what anyone is but I do not agree with that statement!

Modern politics have tried to redefine a lot of things in this country, however, Things only are redefined if you value the opinion of the redefiners! The one thing that I have noticed is that there are people in this country now that think because they say it, that it is true, and we should believe it! NOT.  Didn't believe it before the election and don't believe it now! There is a difference between conservative and liberal. And it still means the same thing. Don't pee down my back and say its raining. You either are one or the other.
And if you are by-partisan midddle of the road you are not conservative. So that may help you redefine yourself. But no, definitions have not changed, Obama can keep the change! Some of us will stay the course, we will not be redefined by others that do not hold our beliefs.

But I digress................Stem cell research is a slippery slope that at this point has not shown that it is worth the trouble it has caused and  may cause in the future!  
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Re: Obama signs Executive order on embryo stem cell research
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2009, 03:20:53 PM »
i  like  those  boxer  pups
my  all time favorite dog

sorry  i missed  or forgot  your status  of sten cell  resurch
so  it sounds  like  just another  money  grab  and a symbolic jesture

further  push for government expansion  and  to  ''SHOW  THAT  HE BROUGHT CHANGE''
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« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2009, 03:29:25 PM »
They have their eyes open now, Ill update the pic when I load it from the camera. The only change comin is the change from your food stamps!

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« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2009, 04:18:34 PM »
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these terms have been redefined by modern politics.

Not interested in what anyone is but I do not agree with that statement!

Modern politics have tried to redefine a lot of things in this country, however, Things only are redefined if you value the opinion of the redefiners! The one thing that I have noticed is that there are people in this country now that think because they say it, that it is true, and we should believe it! NOT.  Didn't believe it before the election and don't believe it now! There is a difference between conservative and liberal. And it still means the same thing. Don't pee down my back and say its raining. You either are one or the other.
And if you are by-partisan midddle of the road you are not conservative. So that may help you redefine yourself. But no, definitions have not changed, Obama can keep the change! Some of us will stay the course, we will not be redefined by others that do not hold our beliefs.

But I digress................Stem cell research is a slippery slope that at this point has not shown that it is worth the trouble it has caused and  may cause in the future!  

Well said Oldshooter.
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