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Offline dep869

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7mm-08 Recoil
« on: March 24, 2009, 04:22:21 PM »
---Just my observation, but whoever said that the 7mm-08 is a LIGHT recoiling caliber never shot a box of 140 gr.'s through a handi wearing  a pallet stock with out a recoil pad!  I stopped pulling the trigger at number 15, pulled my tail out from between my legs and slinked home.  I got that stock from CW.  He's a pretty sly fellow and I'm guessing sold it for a reason. :P :D

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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 04:28:26 AM »
The gun-rag writers like to parrot the manufacturer's claims and the 7mm08 has been praised as a light recoil caliber for women and kids. Reality is that it is very much like a .308 in recoil as well as ballistics. Unless congress has repealed the laws of physics there is no way around it. If two cartridges use "about" the same powder charge to drive "about" the same bullet weight at "about" the same velocity you'll get "about" the same recoil. The headstamp doesn't mean a thing in that respect. I doubt that anyone could tell the difference between a 7mm08 140 grain and a .308 150 grain in a side by side comparison, not in recoil nor in downrange ballistics.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 05:26:45 AM »
Yep ... same for the 30-06 and 270. About the same recoil as long as you stay below 180 grain bullets on the 30-06.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 05:38:04 AM »
I had one n 7mm-o8 and bought it cuz they said "o, its not bad kickin" , thats BS, I am in a wheelchair and I know their will be a lil difference but dang. I have shot higher calibers but not in a handi, guess there was a reason for that lol.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 05:42:20 AM »
I have an original Remington Model 7, and I can't tell the diference in recoil between that firing 140's  and my .30-06 Browning A-bolt firing 150-180 grain bullets.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 05:44:26 AM »
I don't think there's any difference in felt recoil between the .308 and 7-08.



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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 10:59:58 AM »
I'm sorry, but I don't see a problem with 7mm-08 or .308  I shoot them both, with a wide range of loads, and neither bothers me.  I can shoot both all day and I'm a little 150 lb Wop............but.........I shoot the .45-70 too ;) ;)  Perhaps soon to be the .45-120 ???

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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 11:18:13 AM »
Quote from: Spanky on March 25, 2009, 05:44:26 AM
I don't think there's any difference in felt recoil between the .308 and 7-08.

Spanky

Nope. Not with 140-150g.
The 120 grain 7mm is much tamer though.

I traded my 7mm-08 barrel for a 308. Both shot with plastic monti carlo.
I have a slip on limbsaver that will fit that one. :)
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 01:04:14 PM »
Probably the same ones that say a 308 "doesn't have much recoil" Ya watever you say.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 01:11:30 PM »
I shot a 30-06 for many many years. I now shoot a 7mm-08. for me, There is Significant difference in recoil energy.
Last weekend I shot 80 rounds through my 7mm-08 trying out many different loads from 120 GR , 140GR  TO 150GR and I could have shot 80 more no problem. There is no way I could have shot 80 rounds through my '06 in one day. I do agree you probably cant tell much difference between 140GR 7mm-08 and 150GR 308.  But I can denfinately make the distinction between the 7mm-08 and the 30-06.

I quickly grabbed these figures from Chuck Hawks (and no I don't think these are gospel) I do think however felt recoil is a relative thing and varies from individual to individual I would have to say I think for comparison sake I feel this is pretty accurate depiction (at least from my felt perspective) 

Recoil energy = how hard the blow to the shoulder feels,
recoil velocity = how abrupt the blow to the shoulder feels.

Cartridge (Wb@MV)                      Rifle Weight    Recoil energy    Recoil velocity
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860)               8.0                12.6                 10.1
.308 Win. (150 at 2800)               7.5                15.8                 11.7
.270 Win. (150 at 2900)               8.0                17.0                 11.7
30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910)               8.0                17.6                   11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700)               8.0                20.3                 12.8 (what I shot most often)
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 01:22:13 PM »
I shoot a 30-06 & a 308, & I weigh 190lbs.  With the 308 I can "see the hit".   I've never been able to see the hit with the '06.   Jim
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 03:07:24 PM »
dep869 sayes

"--Just my observation, but whoever said that the 7mm-08 is a LIGHT recoiling caliber never shot a box of 140 gr.'s through a handi wearing  a pallet stock with out a recoil pad!  I stopped pulling the trigger at number 15, pulled my tail out from between my legs and slinked home.  I got that stock from CW.  He's a pretty sly fellow and I'm guessing sold it for a reason."

Since there is no question that the gun was unpleasant to shoot the question is why? Objective recoil is only part of the answer. Was it just your shoulder hurting or was it your cheek or knuckles being slapped? Did it have anything to do with muzzle blast. Guns fit individuals differently and it frequently is more than one thing that makes a gun painful. It make take therefore more than one change to fix it.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 04:04:02 PM »
Slap a Limbsaver pad on the end of that sucker and you will swear it's a 243.  DP
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 04:12:05 PM »
I already swapped out stocks.  Back to a synthetic with a recoil pad.  For now.  I'm going to order a pad for the pallet stock and fit it.

Handipardner, I agree with you in that more than one thing makes a gun painful.  In this case it probably had more to do with a bench that wasnt adjustable coupled with a seat that wasn't adjustable.  It just didn't fit my height or frame and I couldn't get a decent weld between my shoulder and the rifle.  A couple of times touching it off with the butt plate resting on essential shoulder bone tore me up!  I was still surprised at the wallop of the 'light recoiling' 7-08!  I guess I should just shut up.  I think I'm being a wuss.

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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2009, 04:21:23 PM »
I've shot both a .243, and my 7MM-08 Handi and I'd rather shoot the 7-08 any day than the .243.

Not that it was painful, but the muzzleblast, and sharp snappiness recoil of the .243 wasn't as pleasant to shoot.

I've never noticed any recoil with the 7MM-08, and that's not saying it wasn't there, but it just wasn't a factor for me.

Don't want to burst any bubbles out there but I know a small eight year old girl that shoots a 7mm-08 as good as the big boys.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2009, 04:36:51 PM »
Quote from: dep869 on March 26, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
I already swapped out stocks.  Back to a synthetic with a recoil pad.  For now.  I'm going to order a pad for the pallet stock and fit it.

Limbsaver makes a prefit pad for the synthetic stock, #10018, I have one on my TDC turkey gun.  ;)

Tim

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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2009, 05:18:06 PM »
dep869 sayes:

"I guess I should just shut up.  I think I'm being a wuss."

Many shooters and hunters love their guns. Given the amount of money and tinkering we put into them we are entitled

to a pleasurable shooting experience!!!
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2009, 06:11:45 PM »
If a rifle is uncomfortable to shoot..... it's uncomfortable to shoot no mater what caliber .  Next step is to figure out what to do about it.  I agree with with earlier posting suggestion put a limb saver pad on and give it another try.

I just personally find very very little felt recoil with a 7mm-08 compared to my '06 or my .270. Totally different shooting experiences.
7mm-08 recoil for me is a ever so slight smooth rock back with no abrupt blow to the shoulder. 

one note: I have two cousins, one owns a marlin 30-30 the other a winchester 30-30 , The winchester 30-30 always hurt my shoulder
when I fired it. Never had a problem with the marlin.
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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2009, 04:05:28 AM »
Quote from: dpe.ahoy on March 26, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
Slap a Limbsaver pad on the end of that sucker and you will swear it's a 243.  DP

That's 1 option. I like to use a Past Magnum Recoil Shield. I sometimes fire over 400
rounds in a morning from my milsurps with their steel butt plates using the Past Recoil
Shield and I feel just fine afterward. Without it, it's more like shoot 5 rounds, put it
back in the rack and double over in pain! It will tame that 7mm-08 no problem.

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Re: 7mm-08 Recoil
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2009, 05:47:41 AM »
Quote from: SM Bob on March 27, 2009, 04:05:28 AM
I like to use a Past Magnum Recoil Shield. I sometimes fire over 400
rounds in a morning from my milsurps with their steel butt plates using the Past Recoil
Shield and I feel just fine afterward.

+1.  I use a shield, not a Past every time I go to the range.  Great item!   ;)
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