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The .280 will be best for elk.
« on: March 16, 2009, 02:09:46 PM »
Wanted to thank everybody for their input on my "Best for elk" thread.

I have made arrangments to get a .280 barrel from CWLongshot. I now have the caliber picked so it is time to start working on the next task which will be what scope. I have always been happy with a good Nikon 3x9 but i wonder if I should go with a bit more mag for the .280.

i will be putting some factory loads through it to get a feeling for it but would be greatly appreciative of any handload hints anybody might have as well.

I am close to completeing my first trade on this forum and I get to start working up my elk rifle. Things are good' ;D ;D :o
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 02:14:49 PM »
Good deal glad we could help make up your mind, I just got a .280 handi myself from eskimo haven't shot it yet but I have some loads for my mauser to try. 8)
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 02:52:04 PM »
I have loaded for this caliber for many years. I like IMR4831 powder and the 160Gr bullet. I fooled around with some 115gr some time back for a friends rifle shooting varmints, but was never really as with the accuracy as he was.

 For elk, I recommend you stay with the 160Gr bullet. the 150 in a premium will work as well, but personally I prefer the extra weight of the 160's. A friend really likes the 175Rn's for under 200yards and has a wall full of horns to prove how well it works. I still feel the bit of added vel from the 160's will be comforting if you need to take that longer shot.

  In the end, I would let the barrel make the choice. I'd take a great shooting 150partition to a OK shooting 160 any day of the week!!

BTW, If I didn't mention it, I'll send a PM with tracking numbers Wed when I send it to you!!

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 03:10:49 PM »
With a TSX, Accubond or Interbond, to name a few, you could go lower than a 150 and be still in the "groove"  CW's right, let the barrel tell ya what to shoot.  Elk is pretty good size, I think 9 power is more than enough for ya.  Any more and you see every little shake and that can be a bit unsettling when you are hunting.  Most of the time I leave mine set on low power while hunting, If I need more there should be time to crank it up.  If there isn't time, I don't need more power.  An Elk at 450 yds on 9 power would look like it's only 50 yds away.  DP
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 03:22:17 PM »
the 280 should be a great elk rifle, i think a 4 x 12 scope would be great on there.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 03:24:26 PM »
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Good deal glad we could help make up your mind, I just got a .280 handi myself from eskimo haven't shot it yet but I have some loads for my mauser to try. Cool

We have Inuits here? Cool. The .280 is awesome. Just about any good 140 grain bullet will do for "eating" size Elk.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 04:36:49 PM »
Sure would like to here somebody shoot that bbl you got from CW...it's traveled many miles and still ain't been shot . It started in Wisconsin then to me in Illinois made it's way to Michigan then CW got it and sent to you it's got the price of a new bbl just in postage. It started life on a RMEF 1996 frame so get out there and KILL an ELK with it. Kurt
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 04:47:23 PM »
Kurt,

I cannot wait to get it to the range. As I said earlier I am ordering some factory stuff just to get an idea what she will be capable of for accuracy. Then I will start to put together come home cookin. I really like the idea of the 140 grain stuff for deer and can;t wait to see what she will do with some 160 grain stuff on the elk side of the equation. Right now I am sweating over a scope for it. I have a nice fixed 4 power nikon I will probably put on it to get myself to the range but I am envisioning a 4x12 Luepold (probably not spelled right) some where in the near future.

Good times indeed.....nothing like going to the range with a new gun. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 05:45:22 PM »
Great choice, you'll love it, mine shot real well while it was a 280, shoots just as well as a 280 Improved.  ;)

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 12:35:43 AM »
Tim,

I hate to seem less than knowledgable but what is a .280 improved?
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 03:22:53 AM »
280 for elk?! Naw, just kiddin. A pal O mine shoots a 280 in rem700 and thats his go to rifle. He has taken 2 cows with it. One ran over a mile and the other dropped in her tracks. He used a hornady 139 grain interbond. I would take the advice from other fellows and stick to a 150 bonded or 160 bonded. The difference between the one that ran and the one that dropped instantly is shot placement of course. ENjoy your 280. EJ

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 05:58:51 AM »
Tim,

I hate to seem less than knowledgable but what is a .280 improved?

You've probably heard of Ackley Improved, it's similar except an Ackley Improved (AI) chambered firearm can also fire the parent round, but in the case of an H&R, the chamber is slightly deeper and can't without excess headspace, so more steps in fireforming are required, you can see the difference between factory 280 brass on the right and my improved round on the left.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 08:58:21 AM »
For elk rifles I use 2.
One is a Win M70 with a Weaver Grand Slam 4.5-14X40 AO in .338 Win Mag
the other is a Leupold 4X on a Sako AIII in .375 H&H.  I bought it after being on a drive in the woods to open fields and back to woods I was tired of dialing the front end of the scope and wanted something with a fixed power and found the AIII.
I am thinking of getting another 338 Win Mag in a stainless rifle with a Trijicon 3-9X40 on it. (my M70 is a super grade and is taking a beating on horse back.)
I think you will be fine with any 3-9X40 or 3.5-10X40 you like.
I would not go over a 40mm objective on the scope as most rifle scabbords are not big enough for them.
And trying to go up a trail with a rifle in your hands on horse back is a real PITA. 
I know you may not e going on horse back this trip but you never know what your (forget if it's brother in law or who) has in store for you with a buddy around the cornor or down the street.
The only other thing I can tell you is to bring a soft case for your rifle.  Never would have thought it but the seat covers on Ford trucks will suck the blueing right off the barrel.  I was in the back seat of a crew cab and had the rifle in the seat with me with the muz up and the up and down of the truck on the dirt roads polished a clean spot on my rifle.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 07:57:15 PM »
I've done some elk hunting, but not enough to call myself an expert at it.  Also, when I was going elk hunting every year, I owned a dandy of an AQHA registered mare and thus did most of my elk hunting on horseback.  My experience with hunting off of horses was that it was a no-brainer to get close to game when riding.  For example, when riding my horse on trout fishing trips in California's Marble Mountains, I had several occasions where I quite literally rode right up to bedded Roosevelt elk.  It was much the same thing when I hunted elk in Utah and Colorado, too.

Because of this, I didn't really need a lot of gun or optics to do the job.  As an example, I killed elk with patched round balls from my wimpy .50 Lyman Great Plains Rifle, and killed them very dead very quickly with it, too.  But part of the reason why it worked was because the shots were close and the animals shot didn't have adrenaline running through their viens when I shot them.  I basically snuck up on them and capped them while they were asleep.

For the regular gun seasons, I used an old peep-sighted Springfield in .30-'06 firing 180 grain Barnes X Bullets, for the most part.  I did use a .280 Remington M-700 Mountain Rifle and shot elk with it during the 1984, 1985, and 1986 seasons.  Ancient history, by now, to be sure, and nothing that I could use to claim expertise in killing elk with the .280 Remington cartridge.  But I did actually kill a few using it.

The load that I used was the 175 grain Barnes X over 55 grains of IMR 7828 in nickle plated Remington cases capped with Federal 210 primers.  This is a max load from Barnes Bullets Reloading Manual Number 1 and is also ancient history now.  The velocity I got was on the modest side at around 2,675 from the skinny little 22" barrel of the Mountian Rifle.  It was plenty of cartrige, however, and resulted in "bang-flop" on each elk I shot with it, but that is only for three seasons of elk hunting, which doesn't add up to a whole lot of elk.

That rifle was scoped with a 2 X 7 Leupold Vari-X II.  That was plenty of magnification to me, but this is coming from a guy who shot most of my big game with an old peep-sighted Springfield, so big magnification was something that wasn't very important to me in a historical sense. I would also emphasise again that most of the elk that I shot were killed at distances under 100 yards, regardless of whether they were shot in timber or out on the more open "parks."

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 05:35:52 PM »
Well the barrel came in this afternoon. Looked great. Kind of expected to do some tweaking but barrel locked into place like it was made for the reciever. Since I had extra time headed to Gander Mountain to go scope shopping, Every one I liked all they had were the display pieces. Not keen on that so I guess the 4 power nikon will have to do untill I can order what I want from cabelas. Did however pick up a box of 140 grain core loks and a box of federal fusion also in 140 grain. No dies either (Gander let me down this trip). Anyway back home and scope is on rifle and ready for range tomorrow early.

Should be a good day. Will follow up with a range report tomorrow evening.  ;D  ;D
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2009, 06:41:05 PM »
The 4X scope you have will be all you need for elk at the distances they should be shot. Okay in the timber up close and plenty of magnification for open-country shots, IMHO. That's all I've ever used for elk, except for a 2 1/2 power I have on a 444 Marlin. Just practice...both with the rifle and guessing distances.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 06:34:04 AM »
it has been raining all $@#% day.  :'(  :'(  :'(
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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 06:39:59 AM »
Welcome to my world!!

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2009, 07:24:27 AM »
Great choice on caliber!!!  There isn't an elk out there that you can't take with the mighty .280.  Dropped this one in its tracks with a little 139gr. Hornady SP.

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Re: The .280 will be best for elk.
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 08:25:43 AM »
I try not to get annoyed with things I cant control.....but I really wanted to get that .280 to the range.

Oh well there is always next weekend.
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