Author Topic: Ideal Long Range Cartridge For The Contender / G-2? (Read 6262 times)

xphunter · « **Reply #30 on:** September 05, 2003, 06:35:20 AM »

RipOne,
The 243 is a good long range performer, except it is to much for the Contender. I know you are getting one in an Encore in the near future, and am looking forward to hearing how it performs for you. This post has got confusing since we have crossed back and forth in talking about different actions some of which can handle just about anything you care to chamber them in.
When I do get my G-2 frame I will end up getting two to three barrels for it. 222 Rem. Mag. Imp. or the 5.6x50 R Bellm (still unsure which but they will be set-up for the heavist VLD's), the 6.5x 50 R Bellm, and the 30 Alaskan. Mike has offered to let me borrow his own 222 Rem Mag. Imp barrel and play with it some. Just have not had the time to shoot what I have little alone add another barrel at the moment. Have been more focused on riding my bicycle to get in shape for elk hunting-rode a 140 miles this week so far.

Ernie

RipOne · « **Reply #31 on:** September 05, 2003, 07:08:45 AM »

XP-HUNTER: We're looking forward to hearing about your new Elk Hunt - I know you'll get it done well

OK ... back on topic >

helobill · « **Reply #32 on:** September 05, 2003, 09:24:12 AM »

xp,
I own a 30 Bellm, and while extremely accurate out to about 250 yards I don't know if you could push it much past that. Specifically built to meet Illinois weird handgun deer season laws (30 cal min and 1.4" case length max, factory load of at least 500ftlbs), there are better/faster/bigger chamberings out there for long range shooting. CNC does the only "factory" loads for the 30B at present in either 125 ballistic tips at 2300fps or 130 sspb at 2250fps. Asked him if he was thinking of experimenting at lighter and/or heavier bullets and he isn't at this time. Might could hand load something that would push out the end at 2600 but in that short a case it would be tough I'd think, and still be able to keep the pressure down. The 125 zero'd at 250 yards would rise about 6" and drop 7 by 300, and drop 94" at 550 yards. Never tried it, but that's what the calculator says. All this is out of a 14" tube too. So this is basically a short fat 30 Herret or a 300 whisper on speed. Don't think it's the extreme range shooter you're looking for. The 5.6x50R on the other hand just might be. along with either the 30 Bower or 308B.
Bill

xphunter · « **Reply #33 on:** September 08, 2003, 04:24:29 AM »

Well at least for today I know for sure what my 6.5 & 30 cals would be (6.5x30R Bellm & 30 Alaskan). I have some guys who keep making me think (I hate it when that happens), so I may seriously consider the 5.6x50R Bellm instead of the 222 Rem. Mag. Imp. set up with some 80-90 VLD's. Of course, once I made up my mind on the type/weight bullets I would use, I would then choose the correct twist.

Ernie

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #34 on:** September 08, 2003, 04:32:54 AM »

No votes for the .219 Donaldson Wasp? Only ever shot this caliber 3 times - so I don't know a whole lot about it. Thought this held a long distance record in it's days.

xphunter · « **Reply #35 on:** September 08, 2003, 04:38:45 AM »

T/C Nimrod,
You've got me on this one. I don't know enough about that cartridge to even make a comment. Someone else will have to chime in on this one.

Ernie

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #36 on:** September 08, 2003, 04:46:55 AM »

I'll talk to the guy that has this in a 14" tube. He has me convinced to add one to the family. It shoots very "smoothly", if you understand what I mean by that. It's not a rude caliber to shoot. Ken Waters has a chapter on it in Pet Loads, but outside of that I'll have to dig up some more specifics.

grizz · « **Reply #37 on:** September 08, 2003, 05:52:48 AM »

T/C nimrod,

I have been thinking about getting the 219DW for some time now.. When I get some extra cash im gonna have to get one.. It would be in a 15" tube on my Enocore... You can either form the brass 25-35, 32 Special or the 30-30.. If you dont want to form the brass you can buy 100 custom's from http://www.eabco.com for 45 bucks... They also sell Redding dies for it for 64 bucks... If you go to http://www.eabco.com/images/reload033.gif that has some load data from a 15" tube.....

Right after I posted this got me reading my Wildcat Cartridge's book.. In there it state's that before the 222 Rem. came about the 219DW took top money for several years but it did not say at what distances.. Im thinking 100-300 yards...

grizz

xphunter · « **Reply #38 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:30:53 AM »

Grizz,
Is the BF frame mentioned with the 219DW info closer to the Contender, Encore or somewhere in between?
Is the 219DW more suitable for the Contender or Encore? Is the case head size the same as a 223 or closer to a 308?

Thanks

Ernie

grizz · « **Reply #39 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:58:46 AM »

xphunter,

Im not really sure how the BF compairs to the contenders or the Encore.. Here is some info on the BF frames http://www.eabco.com/bfus01.html
here is a pic of the dimensions of the 219DW... I believe there was a rimmed vs and a rimless vs. as well...

grizz

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #40 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:54:34 AM »

I must have taken the wrong color pill yesterday (red instead of green) :eek: There is no entry in Pet Loads on the Wasp. Sorry. I have an article on it somewhere in the library, just need an evening to dig it out.

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #41 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:38:51 AM »

Historical Notes:

This cartridge originated in 1937, shortly after the 219 Zipper was introduced by Winchester. It is made by shortening, re-necking and blowing-out 219 Zipper cases. The Donaldson Wasp became the most popular adaptations, and more or less the standard. Many benchrest matches have been won with the 219 Wasp, and it has a well deserved reputation for excellent accuracy. It has been used mostly in custom made single shot rifles because of the rimmed case.

General Comments:

The 219 Wasp is another 22 wildcat that achieved notable, continued popularity. It is one of the better wildcat numbers, but like most of the other offbeat 22's, has been overshadowed by the 222 Remington. The 219 Improved Zipper developed by P.O. Ackley in 1938 is a more practical cartridge because it is made by simply fire-forming standard 219 Zipper cases in the improved chamber. The improved version offers velocities similar to the standard Wasp with significantly lower pressures. Cases for these wildcats can also be made from 25-35 and 30-30 brass. It is claimed by some authorities that breech pressures developed by popular loads in the Wasp can run as high as 55,000 to 60,000 psi.

Here's some more info.