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Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« on: March 07, 2009, 08:00:16 PM »
Anyone ever build a double rifle from a SXS shotgun action?  I have heard that it can be done.  The only example I have heard that was built was a 405 winchester.  I would like to know how big you could make it and it still be safe. 

I am for sure that the shotgun action that you use makes all the difference in how big of a bore it can handle.  Also would like to know if anyone knows who makes the strongest double shotgun action? 

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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2009, 03:18:13 PM »
Why re-invent the wheel ?

Read the book: Building Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions, by W. Ellis Brown.

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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 06:25:28 PM »
Mattl,  I built a 45/70 double rifle from a 12 ga.sidelock double, about 20 yeatrs ago and did it without any instructions on what to use how to do it ect. The double I used was a high quality Spanish made gun that I was able to buy for a fraction of it's value at the time.  It has 2 locking lugs below the barrels and a third fastener at the top end of the breech. The reason I chose this gun to make the rifle on was , # 1 A tight lock up on the barrels to the frame , bushed firing pins removable from the breech,Ejectors, Sidelocks, PRICE PAID, and it;s just great looking.
First of all unless you have a lathe , mill, LOTS of time and patience dont even think of doing this.
It is quite a project to do in a home workshop or anything less than full machine shop equipment to complete. I will give you the basic idea on how I did mine. First I cut the barrels off at about 2 3/4 " from the breech end to come up with a monoblock. Using a Bridgeport mill I bored the two chambers Parallel to each other until they cleaned up. Then I turned two barrel blanks to the length, and taper that I wanted, then turned the breech ends until I was very close to them fitting the monoblock. Then came the patience part, I fit each of the barrels to the monoblock a little at a time using bluing and valve lapping compound until both barrells fit the monoblock the way I wanted and were both the same length and flush at the breech. Then I reamed both of the barrels to basicly zero headspace. I was able to get new undrilled firing pin bushings, drill them for a .070 diameter firing pin, turn new firing pins from drill rod stock heat treat them and fit them so I was happy with the fitting and function of the hammer strike firing pin protrutions. Then to modify the ejectors  was a matter of turning pieces of the cut off barrels to silver solder onto the 12 ga. shotgun ejectors to reduce the head diameter to that of the 45/70 case and cut the rim cut.
Then I made a rib, muzzle end piece , sight rib front and rear sights, and a alighnment jig to hold it all together and I silver solderered the barrels to the mono block and soldered the barrel rib  muzzle piece , sight rib and everything else with Brownells high force 44 solder. Anyway it ended up shooting probably better than I expected, with the fixed rear sight the right barrel shoots dead on at 50 to 75 yards with every bullet I have shot from it from 300 gr. jacketed to 500 gr. cast and the left barrel shoots 3 inches low but on center  if I shoot groups with both barrels ,using 350 gr. Hornadys I get a combined group size of about 4 1/2 at 75 yards. Just using the right barrel I can shoot 1 1/4 " groups at 75 yards. I was going to rechecker the stocks add a English type recoil pad  and return it to like new but after the 4 to 5 months I spent on building it I was mentally done with it. I do hunt with it, 2 trips to Canada for Moose and bear and never got a shot !! The only thing I have killed with it was a little 70 lb. Bambi yearling whitetail. I have shot it alot at targets  ect. and it is fun to shoot , and I am glad I built it , but at my age and patience now just give me a H & R handi rifle, I have built 5 in wildcats of my own design  plus a couple others in 44 Special.
 And to my way of thinking they are the best platform to play with.
If you think you got what it takes to build one, ( A double rifle from a shotgun ) go for it.
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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 10:58:35 AM »
Here's a few pictures of the 45-70 double.
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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2009, 02:03:23 PM »
Jedman,

thanks for the info, that is one beautiful rifle and well made.

Mattl

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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2009, 02:29:27 PM »
I have seen an Over and under 375 H&H made from a ruger red label in 20 ga.
I think it is not a problem as long as the action can handle the pressure of the ctg you plan on using.  Some of the older SBS's have weaker steel in the hinge pin and the repeated high pressure rounds will loosen the action.
Some of the older Side by sides may have problems if you are looking for something heavy or high pressure, like a belted mag. 
You will also need to change the firing pins and the holes.

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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2009, 04:18:19 PM »
jedman, thanks for the look. that is CRAFTSMANSHIP.

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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2009, 04:04:13 AM »
Jedman,


A very nice piece of work!

Looking at your .45-70 double rifle project, I was wondering why the chamber stubs had such unusually THICK silver solder joints.  I was expecting to see hairline joints, but yours are very prominent.  Why is that?

Curious John
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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2009, 07:08:29 AM »
John T,  From what I can remember when I bored the two shotgun chambers out until they cleaned up, the diameter at the end of the monoblock was quite thin already and if I would have bored them to the point that you would no longer see the 12 ga. rim cut at the breech they would have been paper thin at the cut off end.
The last picture is of the area that the barrels meet the monoblock stub, you can see the line but it blended in pretty good.
I don't know if my idea on having both barrels parrelel is the correct way to do it but , when I made up a jig to hold the 2 barrels at the muzzle end at the same center to center as the breech end , then had the everything clamped to the table on a Bridgeport and with the help of two others preheating I did the silver soldering first and then the rib between the barrels and there is a piece at the muzzle that holds everything consistant.
Like I said the accuracy is better than I expected, compared to some rifles that I have shot this one shoots all types of bullets / loads to a very similar point of impact.
Its a great gun to let your friends shoot 1 gallon plastic bottles full of water and see it vaporize them.             Jed
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Re: Building a Double Rifle from a Shotgun
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2009, 03:59:26 PM »
Jedman,

Always nice to see the work of a craftsman!