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HR 45
« on: January 21, 2009, 02:35:45 PM »
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I got this second hand but sounds about right

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Illinois congressman Bobby Rush, from Obama's home state and with a voting record on gun ownership as bad as Obama's, introduced a bill on the first day of the 111th Congress that shows what we can expect. If we don't defeat this bill, and others expected to follow it, gun owners will lose guns and the industry will suffer harm beyond description.
Under HR 45, if you can't pass a complex test written by the U.S. Attorney General (described in detail below), pay the tax, give up fingerprints and a biometric-capable photo of yourself (that can be turned into a digital facial-recognition number and used as a de facto national ID), every gun you own will become contraband and subject to confiscation, while you stand trial before imprisonment. You'd think Bobby, a former black panther, would know better.
Your rights will have an expiration date, and if you screw up and miss it, you'll be in the same mess as people who can't pass the test. Can you say "unconstitutional"? Do you think these "gun bigots" care?
Now that the Supreme Court has made it clear in the Heller case that government can't ban guns, the Brady's have stopped saying they want to ban guns. So the virtually treasonous Bobby Rush bill doesn't ban guns, it bans gun owners, maybe by the millions. How many gun owners read poorly or don't test well? How many can't explain local, state and federal gun laws? They'd become prohibited possessors under HR 45. Are there any limits to what the AG can put on the test? The bill doesn't mention any -- it gives the AG a free hand to include anything.
Had enough? HR 45 has an innocent-looking line that says 'strike the second sentence of 18 USC 926(a)'. That's the line that says the federal government cannot make a central registry of gun owners.
The anti-rights people have to repeal that line, because Bobby's bill flat-out creates a central gun registry. Every gun owner must be registered to keep on possessing the guns they already own, and any transfer of any kind must be registered as well. The mark of the beast is upon us, to apply a metaphor.
See the bill for yourself (click "Bill Number" and enter "HR 45"):
http://thomas.loc.gov/
Read the gun-ban list the antis have already published:
http://www.gunlaws.com/GunLawUpdate3.htm

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detailed analysis of the bill, in plain English
HR 45
The bill starts with a statement of purpose that says: " because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce." Basically, this eliminates the Tenth Amendment and the Interstate Commerce Clause. The Constitution can't legally be amended by statute. Is that enough to seek Mr. Rush's removal from office? I won't bore you with the other "purposes" which are as bad or worse.
Only "qualifying firearms" are affected. That means any handgun, or any semi-auto firearm that has a removable magazine (what they call a " detachable ammunition feeding device").
After the bill becomes law (IF it becomes law), it's illegal for you to have or get those firearms, even if you already own them, without a special federal license. There are grace periods up to two years to register yourself once the law is passed.
Do you see how clever this is? You cold-dead-fingers guys can keep your guns if you like, refuse to register yourselves, and then you're subject to arrest on the spot. If you go anywhere with your guns -- to the range, a store, a gunsmith, a friend's house, hunting, competition -- and you're spotted, you go straight to jail. If you're already on a list (can anyone say "carry permit" or "hunting license"?) and you don't sign up, well, just connect those dots. Where does the cold-dead-fingers part come into play? I'll bet the ranges will start requiring you to show your papers before you can hit the line.
To get the license you must "submit to the Attorney General a passport-type photo, identifying info, any name you have ever used or ever been known by (I have nicknames, pen names, stage names, omitting any presumably violates the statute) a thumbprint, certification that any firearms will be "safely" stored and out of possession of people under 18, authorization to give up any mental health records, and a certificate that you passed a government-run test.
The test must include knowledge of: safe storage, safe handling, use of firearms at home, the risks of firearms at home, local state and federal legal requirements for firearms, reporting requirements for firearms, and ANY other subjects the AG decides are appropriate. You date and sign the submission, making it perjury if your info is inaccurate.
The AG "shall" issue the license if you pass the test and do everything else, and also "shall" charge you a tax for the privilege of getting your rights licensed, up to $25 at present. This gets you a tamper-resistant photo ID card with your official number, address, date of birth, signature and the expiration date of your "rights" (about five years, it's complicated). There's a renewal procedure (it's complicated) and no apparent limit on the renewal tax you will be charged (the AG gets power to control the details).
The license can be revoked for cause of course, and the AG "shall" make sure you give it up if it's revoked.
Once this thing is in place, it's illegal to transfer or receive any affected firearm (all handguns and any semi-auto with a magazine) without the license. Transfers can only be made to or from a licensed dealer, who has to jump through hoops and file papers, and has 14 days to get that done (a waiting period on the dealer's shoulders), to get government approvals and authorization numbers.
The dealer must send the feds the gun name and/or model number, maker, serial number, your license number, name, address and transfer date, which the feds must store in a "Federal Record of Sale System," a permanent national gun registry.
This needs to be said verbatim: "(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration -- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence." That sentence says the feds can't register the firearms Americans own:
"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act [1986] may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established." The Bobby Rush bill says kiss that sentence and its extremely crucial protections goodbye.
There are a few small exceptions for an undefined "infrequent" firearm gift, bequest or intestate succession among parents, their kids and grandparents and grandkids, and also for lending a firearm " for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other." Sloppy language in this part of the bill bans the transfer of any firearm (not just "qualifying" firearms) between anyone without going through the hoops.
If you lose a handgun or magazine-fed semi-auto, or if one is stolen from you -- you've broken the law if you don't report that to the AG within 72 hours.
If you own such guns, change your address and don't notify the AG within 60 days -- you've committed a crime. In other words, they track you non-stop or you're subject to arrest. No victim, no harm, no foul, no evil, just government placing you in jail for failure to comply. Bobby Rush thinks this is good law, a legitimate use of government.
If you keep in your home a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammo for it, and a person under 18 gets it and harms someone with it -- you've committed a crime. There are some flimsy exceptions (like you know or should reasonably know federal and state gun law for kids) and of course, all the "proper" authorities -- federal, state, local, military, elected, appointed, even employees of government on the job are exempted -- twice. Bobby Rush says OK for thee but not for me, tee hee.
Lengthy penalty sections include two-, five- and ten-year sentences and fines for paperwork violations, possession violations, transfer violations, child-access violations, safe-storage violations and of course, failure to pass the test if you still keep your guns.
The bill ends with sweeping powers for the Attorney General that could be interpreted to mean almost anything, so the details I've described might be little more than a smokescreen! For instance: "The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act."
There's plenty of that in here, plus endless inspection powers, injunctive powers and even, "shall issue regulations... as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms..." Is the AG someone we can trust? Or is it someone with utter contempt for the right to keep and bear arms? If it's Eric Holder, Obama's nominee, we get a guy who told the Supreme Court that a total gun ban in your own home is just fine and doesn't violate the Bill of Rights.
Oh, and one final kick in the ribs. Federalism, the idea that states have powers the feds don't, could get in the way. So the bill makes it clear that "...this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State... except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act..." I am not making this up. The hubris and audacity of this bill's author is monumental. My lawyer friends will tell me that legal mumbo-jumbo has become SOP, as the feds usurp any remaining crumbs of your state's legitimate powers.
Maybe you've noticed that virtually none of this addresses criminals or crimes. Innocent gun owners are the target. This is about controlling the public and its private constitutionally protected property. Criminals are guaranteed to ignore the entire plan, and in fact, criminals CANNOT apply, since they can't possess firearms in the first place. Even if criminals could apply, they're protected from incriminating themselves by the Fifth Amendment, so they never would apply.
The bill of course makes no mention of this. And people tell me I'm paranoid, that gun bans are just a delusional fantasy of the wacko fringe. What does that say about Bobby Rush from Illinois, the perpetrator of this travesty. He and every co-sponsor he can find should be removed from office. Wherever he appears, people should rise and turn their backs on him as a gesture of disgrace.


Looks like a good time to be on the phone with your congressman/woman
and emails also !!!!!!
Holder Hearings reminder , if you havent called????? he'll have a lot of power with bill should it pass


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Re: HR 45
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 04:29:33 AM »
What's really bad about this Bill. for the most part it turns a Right into a Priviledge.
And the Attorney General (Holder,,God forbid please) will have free will to decide what it takes to revoke that Priviledge. In short, the Second Amendment is still in the Constitution, but in effect means nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just very effectively undermined it without touching it.
Yep,,,BO's statement, "I won't take your guns" in part is true, but he won't have to. They are just going make it so you have to hand them over!!!!!

If you haven't read the above post thoroughly, It gives the gist of the Bill from a gun owning lawyer's point of view.
It's not going to be good folks.
And Holder's Attorney General nomination was put on hold for another week.
He's bad news , you still have time call the committee Senators to voices your opposition to him whether they agree with you or Not,,,,CALL
Then call your District Rep. and let him know in no uncertain terms what you think of the Bill!!!!! This is a very dangerous time for gun owners as a whole.
You can just about bet your last dollar that the AWB will be put on the table again with more additions and worse, NO Sunset Clause!!!

We got to move on all these issues folks, and at a more personal level with phones calls email and letters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: HR 45
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 01:50:38 PM »
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We got to move on all these issues folks, and at a more personal level with phones calls email and letters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

So very true, this is where the true battle is, right now. For everyone who is so willing to wait until the wolf is at the door, WHY? Right now all you need to fight with is a little time, a keyboard, a pen, and last but not least a phone. Thats our ammo right now folks.  :D
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Re: HR 45
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 05:31:24 AM »
Write letters to bothy your dem rep and repub reps! Emails are too easy to ignore, make the paper pile up. In your letters request a reply on your protest of HR 45.
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Re: HR 45
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 06:52:43 AM »
Indeed!!!! see what happens when you don't give or care enough.  Holder got in!!!! If 60-70 million (If Not All), gun owner's would call and directly state their opinion,,,you think they would dare do what they are doing?????
60 million is about 1/2 of the total vote count in the Presidential election!!!!!! Do the math, it don't take a whiz to see what flooding their offices would do. With 80-100 million gun owners, WE CAN MAKE A  DIFFERENCE folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: HR 45
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 10:53:57 AM »
Yup, sadly I sure do. Way more than that called and wrote and said NO on the bail out. See how well they listened?

Government has run away and no longer care what we say or think. They realize they are in control and that enough folks will vote for them regardless to keep them going. These days there is really no substantial difference between the two parties and everyone running is in the pocket of the same super rich families. It's all mood to them who wins cuz either way they win they all all the politicians or at least most of them so their will is gonna be done no matter what "we the people" say.


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Re: HR 45
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 11:42:58 AM »
I agree Bill, it seems once a politician, always a politician. Look at Dashle for exapmle, how long was it he got booted, but is still in Washington. Be that as it, we have to keep trying. You me and those others that call and write ain't enough. We all have to jump in,  4,5-10 million isn't enough participation. I still have faith numbers count, we are just being out numbered when we shouldn't be.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 02:23:03 PM »
GB, while I agree with your feeling wholeheartedly when it comes to the Federal Government, as you stated, just look at the bailout. They don't give a damn about us "the people."
Now as to state governments I feel that our numbers still count as long as we will use them, remembering at all times, "The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease."
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HR 45
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 12:16:05 PM »
Blair Holt Firearm Licensing
& Record of Sale Act
2-16-2009

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. 

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.  Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.  To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:
·It is registered
·You are fingerprinted
·You supply a current Driver's License
·You supply your Social Security #
·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. 

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.  If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on K.H.O.W. 6:30 a..m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

 This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would=2 0make them happy and in less danger from their victims.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA

More On Gun Grab HR 45 Here...
http://news.google.com/news?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=in&ned=&q=HR+45&btnG=Search+News
 
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Re: HR 45
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 08:37:21 AM »
If the government changes the "right" to bare arms and turn it into a privilenge then so be it. The bone heads are gong to do what they want to do regardsless of what the people say. Take the Clinton firearm ban for example. The least they can do at this point is add a grandfather clause for the people who already invested so much in firearms purchases. Although the requirements of HR 45 sucks.
My simple interputation of it is: gun owners will still be able to own a fire arm providing they follow the stipulation of the bill, right...???
Or am I just understanding this wrong? ???

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 09:40:29 AM »
I'd say your understanding is GROSSLY wrong. While at first that might be what they want you to believe it's merely another way to try and take them all from us.


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Re: HR 45
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2009, 01:57:55 AM »
Flight808, This is exactly how they want gun owners to look at this bill. Just more laws that guns owners have to follow. Oh, but you can still keep your guns. Never give up by saying they are going to do what they want. If we do this, it will just quicken thier path to total gun confiscation. This bill is gun registration, and gun registration always,always, always leads to gun confiscation. You can bet the ranch on this.     
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