They were the very first of the Glock clones. Was "Gun of the Year" when they came out. Then all the problems started to show up. Our state police used them . . . for about a month. (Maybe a little longer.) Then went with Rugers. For a while S&W couldn't give them away. They've taken care of all the design flaws except for the trigger, but I hear you get used to it after a while. It's probably a good gun for the money, because the folks here at GBO that have them really seem to love them, and I trust these folks more than I do the gun magazine writers. It has great ergonomics, and the fact that S&W still has them in their line up shows that it must be selling, but it just has a reputation that has been hard to overcome (like Winchester shotguns).