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Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« on: April 15, 2009, 11:43:49 PM »
Good morning everyone, and a happy day it is at that.

Well some great news in this mornings paper.  Some said it would never pass, but HR 246 has been signed into law by our Governor.

Montana sovereignty bills have national scope

By KAHRIN DEINES
Associated Press Writer
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HELENA, Mont. (AP) -- Gov. Brian Schweitzer has signed into law a bill that aims to exempt Montana-made guns from federal regulation, adding firepower to a battery of legislative efforts to assert states' rights across the nation.

"It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," Democrat Schweitzer said.

Since the law applies only to those guns that are made and kept in Montana, its impact is limited. The state is home to just a handful of specialty gun makers, known for recreating rifles used to settle the West, and most of their customers are out-of-state.

But supporters of the new law hope it triggers a court case testing the legal basis for federal rules governing gun sales.

"What we need here is for Montana to be able to handle Montana's business and affairs," bill sponsor Rep. Joel Boniek, a Republican and wilderness guide from Livingston, told fellow lawmakers during the bill's House debate.
 
The measure is one of many introduced by state lawmakers across the nation seeking to confront what some see as a federal overreach into state matters that will be extended with the national stimulus plan.

Along with the gun bill, Montana legislators are considering a resolution that affirms the 10th Amendment principle that the federal government only has those powers that are specifically given to it by the U.S. Constitution.

"The whole goal is to awaken the people so that we can return to a properly grounded republic," Rep. Michael More, R-Gallatin Gateway and the Montana resolution's sponsor, said at a House committee hearing Wednesday.

As many as fifteen other Legislatures have also been mulling resolutions that buck federal control in states such as New Hampshire, South Carolina, Missouri and Oklahoma.

"The balance has swung far to the extreme to the empowerment of the federal government, and to the harm of the individual states," More said.

Opponents of the state sovereignty bids, however, warn they could give legitimacy to the kind of anti-government ideas that fueled the militia movement in Montana and elsewhere.

"When you really actually get in and look at it there is a lot of what we feel is very dangerous, very anti-government language that reads very similar to posters for the militia movement in the 1990s," said Travis McAdam, the interim director of the Montana Human Rights Network, a group formed to oppose racism and extremism.

One of the few state Senators who voted against the gun bill - Sen. Christine Kaufmann, D-Helena - is that group's director when the Legislature is not in session. She ties the bills' proliferation to fears about the Democratic administration of President Barack Obama and stimulus spending.

"I do think that there is a kind of renewed vehemence to this kind of right-wing rhetoric being spewed by conservative talk show hosts to rile the troops and they are using the fact that we have a Democratic, black president as one of their rallying calls," Kaufmann said.

The Montana bills are being sponsored by freshman legislators who ran as part of a broader effort to oust more moderate Republicans in last spring's elections.

House Resolution 3, the one sponsored by More, follows another states' rights declaration that deadlocked in the same committee earlier this session, although the committee's chairman said it may have a shot on its second try.

House Bill 246, the Montana-made gun bill, cleared the Legislature easily before reaching the governor's desk.

Its supporters next plan to find a "squeaky clean" Montanan who wants to send a note to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives threatening to build and sell about 20 rifles without federal dealership licensing. If the ATF says it's illegal, the gun bill's backers plan to file a lawsuit in federal court with the goal of launching a legal showdown that lands in the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Montana Shooting Sports Association, which drafted the bill, has said it will raise the money to pay for any legal costs.

"It doesn't cost us any money and I like guns," Schweitzer said after signing the bill.

"I like big guns, I like little guns, I like pistols, I like rifles, and I would like to buy a gun that's made in Montana," Schweitzer said.


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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 03:14:19 AM »
Good for the Mt legislature and the Gov.  29 degrees  here and cloudy.I have to go to my porn(gun) purveyor today  I have a m1916 Spanish Mauser arriving .Just another gun for the collection.
Here it is the  21st century and I lean toward  18th,19th and early twenty century weapons. Flintlocks, Mausers, Single shot rifles and M1911 pistols.  oh well they work for me.    Doug
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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 05:01:44 AM »
Good morning Montanan, MT_Sourdough, dpe, Southpaw, Forster, Atlaw, pab1, newstart2k, Skunk, kitchawan kid, lurker, CJ, Bilmac,thxmrgarand, Syncerus, Mcwoodduck, Brennemanj83, Old Shooter,TY22, Canon6, burntmuch, Grimjim, CJ, Bilmac, rparsons934 wis_sharpshooter and BBF.

The little cold snap with winter hanging on by finger nails is annoying me.  One of the things I need to get is some sort of heat in my shop. It's 28 degrees and wintery here this morning...not so bad that I wish I was in Texas or Atlanta. To much baggage with that idea..but I wish it was 15 degrees warmer right now. I have to many projects to do to be put off by cold...enough.

It will be interesting what becomes of the Made in Montana Gun bill.  I was reading the literature on it earlier.  They were looking for a volunteer to take part and challenge the federal government...That means you have to volunteer to get charged with a violation of Federal law.  This state law might be very interesting to watch.

How many of you guys are coming to Cut Bank for the Victorian Rifleman shoot or the Cannon shoot?  I suppose I will need to load all the brass in the house so you guys can all take a shot with my 577/450 Martini's or my 577 2 3/4 NE.

Do you have a Martini or Snider or P53 Enfield, that's all you need.  If you each bring a box of .303, I'll find a Martini for you andsee you get to shoot in the Victorian Rifleman Provincial Match and earn your Victorian Rifleman Shooting medal--The Brits call these medals Gongs!  Any one who shoots in the VRPM gets the medal. 

Old Shooter, I have a .45 1 1/2 Carbine that TY22 could shoot.  The size of the cartridge will make his eyes light up, but it won't hurt him. It's a good lady and kids big caliber rifle.

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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 05:56:10 AM »
Douglas, you could always start your bar b que and dance on the grill, that is sure to warm ya up  ;D

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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 06:23:11 AM »
Good Morning Montana!

Big Congrats on the passing of HR 246.

We are in for some fantastic weather today: High 60's South Winds. All we need now are some thinkers in the Wisconsin government like those out in Montana.

Double D, I'm probably not going to make the show at Cut Bank, but don't be surprised if one day I just pack up and move to Montana. ;)
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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 03:26:18 PM »
Double D, I'd love to take a shot or two with one of your Martini's.  I like single shots anyway, last count 26 of em here at the house.  That sounds like shinin' times.  Weather is supposed to get nicer from now till it hits the 70's first part of next week.  I need to leave this darn computer alone and get some work done.  All take care and have a good weekend.  DP
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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 05:52:52 PM »
Well, things keep getting better around here.  To start with, I get the call to go back to work starting Tuesday.;D  Next, my girlfriend was handed down a 1950 Marlin 336 and a few boxes of ammo wit it.  The 336 has  24" inch barrel and a 2/3 length tube magazine just like my 444.    Then, I recieved 4 & 1/2 boxes of ammo for my 444. ;D  Plus I was given a 3 piece RCBS die set for 444 Marlin and a bunch more empty brass.  Most of the ammo is Remington 265 gr sp Corelocks.  Wow, between the 30-30 and my 444 there are about 9 or 10 boxes of ammo to shoot up!!!  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
   This afternoon, we went to the gunsmith to find out how much it will cost to get the 336 drilled and tapped and mount the bases.  We were quoted $91 for drilling, tapping, the cost of base and mounting base.  Seems fair enough to me.  My girlfriend's oldest son will be hunting with this 336 and he would be a lot more confident using a scope on it.
  This evenning, we rode out along the Clark Fork and were hanging by the river watching the trout feed on a hatch.  Then we witnessed an amazing arial combat between a pair of Harris Hawks, a pair of Osprey, and a pair of Bald Eagles all fighting each other at the same time!  It only lasted about 20 to 30 seconds, but it was spectacular.  It finished up behind some large cottonwoods and out of our view so I dont know who won. ???
  This weekend, we are gonna do some shootin, but still trying to decide where.  It is easier to find a place to shoot a 22 then it is to find a place to shoot a 30-30 and 444. 
  I'll post a pic of the rifle, but it is of poor quality.

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Re: Thursday, April 16th, 2009 - Good Morning Montana!
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 03:00:03 AM »
Makes me want to move SOONER than later.
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