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I may just get a crossbow.
« on: April 30, 2009, 08:23:17 AM »
I was at a gun shop today and a guy that works there had said that anyone can use a crossbow during regular archary season now. When I got home I went to the PGC web site to look into it and it is true. You are even alowed to put a scope or red dot on it. I could not hit the inside of a barn if I was standing in it with a compound bow. :o It would be great to hunt White Tail deer while it is still warm out. I know nothing about crossbows but think this would be a lot of fun. What do you feel is the max range for a crossbow? Is 40 yards about it's limit? I would like to buy one in the $300.00 to $400.00 range. Can any of you recomend a crossbow in that range? What would be the best tips to use on it? Another cool thing is we have an acre and I am sure I could set up some type of back stop and practice right here at home. Thanks for any info you guys can provide. Dale
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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 11:27:57 AM »
must be 125lb pull + for pa I have a Horton 150lb i get a general, archery, and muzzle loader stamp and can use my crossbow for any time of year.
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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 11:47:54 AM »
You might but I kinda doubt it. I'm pretty sure from what I've read that scopes are NOT Ok but red dot type sights are. That's how it is here in Bama and I'm pretty sure PA did the same. Ya really better double check that.

Crossbows have no longer range than regular bows do. The short light bolts they use lose velocity fast. They are perhaps a bit easier for a novice to learn to shoot accurately but ultimately a good shooter will do better with a compound than a good shoooter will with a crossbow.


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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 12:33:51 PM »
i got a horton hunter xp 200 lbs and shoot an 18.5 in bolt with spitfire 85 gr heads,   i got it about 5 yrs ago for dad and it shoots good to about 45 yrds   it has a 4x crossbow scope also     i still shoot my compound better than i shoot the crossbow     the bolt is shorter but much heavier than my arrows and i still shot an overdraw.   i have no problem with opening the season to crossbows    with my compound i shoot farther and more accurately than with the crossbow - to each his own i guess    before i got it i had the same thought as everyone else i think  -   that it was a super accurate weapon and soooo much better   i learned   i prefer my compound but keep the crossbow for dad  he is disabled and did have a use permit for it.
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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 01:50:02 PM »
This is from the PGC web site. Dale

CROSSBOW FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners gave final approval to a regulatory change that will expand the use of crossbows.  To better explain what is in place for the 2009-10 seasons, the Game Commission is offering this list of frequently asked questions.



Are crossbows now legal for use by anyone in the archery deer seasons, as well as the archery bear season?

Yes, as long as a hunter possesses a general hunting license and an archery stamp – as well as other required licenses, such as an antlerless deer license or permit, or a bear license – an archery hunter may use a crossbow to participate in the both the early and late archery deer seasons, as well as the two-day archery bear season.  Presently, hunters do not need an archery stamp to participate in the archery bear season; they only need a general hunting license and bear license.

 

Do I need a disabled person permit to use a crossbow?

As all hunters will be permitted to use a crossbow during archery deer seasons and the archery bear seasons, disabled person permits will no longer be needed. 


How will permits applications for a disabled person permit to use a crossbow during archery seasons already submitted be handled?
Permits that were received prior to the final adoption will be processed, permits received after will be returned with a cover letter explaining that they are no longer needed.



May a Mentored Youth use a crossbow during the archery seasons to take an antlered deer?
Yes, mentored youths may use a crossbow during these seasons.  All other requirements of the Mentored Youth Hunting Program must be adhered to, including the requirement that there be only one sporting arm for each pair of adult mentor and youth.


What are the requirements for a crossbow and bolt?
A crossbow must have a peak drawn weight of at least 125 pounds; there is no maximum.  A bolt must be equipped with a broadhead that has an outside diameter or width of at least 7/8 inches with at least two cutting edges on the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface, and shall not exceed three inches in length measured from the tip of the broadhead to the point that fits against the bolt.


What about the requirements for a bow?
No changes were made to what qualifies as a bow, which must have a peak draw weight of at least 35 pounds.  Arrow broadheads also must have an outside diameter or width of at least 7/8 inch with no less than two cutting edges. Cutting edges shall be in the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface. Broadheads may not exceed 3 inches in length measured from the tip of the broadhead to the point that fits against the arrow shaft.


Since crossbows are legal now are draw lock devices for bows legal?

No, there is no change in the prohibition on the use of draw locks.



I heard the Board prohibited the use of scopes.  Is that correct?

It is true that one of the amendments approved by the Board before final adoption prohibits the use of magnifying telescopic sights, or scopes, during the archery deer and bear seasons.  However, on April 21, the Board took action on a change to reverse that prohibition.  Now, magnifying scopes are legal.





What is a considered a “loaded crossbow,” as it relates to the existing prohibition of having a loaded sporting arm in, on or leaning against a vehicle?

The bolt must be removed to be considered "unloaded."  However, the crossbow string may still be locked and cocked.

 

May crossbows be used as part of the early muzzleloader or late flintlock seasons?

No, the regulatory change approved by the Board specifically prohibits the use of crossbows as a “lesser sporting arm” for those participating in the October muzzleloader season for antlerless deer or the late flintlock muzzleloader season.  However, archery hunters may choose to use a crossbow even during the overlap with these muzzleloader/flintlock seasons; they will need an archery license and to abide by the other provisions of the archery seasons.

 

Do I have to stop using my crossbow for the week-long October muzzleloader season for antlerless deer that overlaps with the early archery deer seasons?

No, you may continue to use a crossbow during the early archery deer seasons, even during the overlap with the October muzzleloader season for antlerless deer, provided you have an archery stamp.  As a participant in the early archery season, you will be able to harvest either an antlered or antlerless deer, provided you possess the necessary licenses.

 

May I still use an unfilled buck tag as an either sex tag in the late flintlock season if I’m hunting with a crossbow?
The ability to use an unfilled buck tag as an either sex tag is a privilege that is reserved for those hunters participating in the late flintlock muzzleloader season.  Therefore, those who choose to use a crossbow during the overlapping late archery and flintlock seasons will need to be licensed as an archery hunter and follow the requirements for the late archery deer seasons, and may not use an unfilled buck tag as an either sex tag.

 

What other seasons may I use a crossbow?

For many years, hunters have been permitted to use crossbows during fall turkey and spring gobbler seasons, elk season, firearms bear season and the two-week firearms deer season.  These opportunities will continue.


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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 05:58:32 AM »
Dale,

   My brother and his son got the crossbow bug about 3 years ago, and are now hugely into it.  I had the same type of questions that you listed about range etc., and they have given me lots of information and let me shoot their bows (they now have two each).

   Here is some surprising stuff I learned.

   1.  Unless you buy a really really powerful crossbow, your practical limit is really 30 to maybe 35 yards, tops! As Graybeard mentioned, the bolts (tiny arrows) that are shot from a cross bow are extremely light, and just don't carry momentum very far at all.

   2.   Crossbows are extremely complex, as far as mechanics and tuning, and cost every bit as much as a good rifle.  Your bow has to be "tuned" about every 50 to 100 shots, because the extreme recoil shock to the system just tends to shake them apart.  Some people that are really into this sport can buy the equipment to tune their own bows, but most people drop their bows off at a really good archery shop, and have them tuned for about $25.00 by a pro.

  3.  Once you have sighted in your bow with your optical sights, or even your metal sights, you do  NOT spend much time shooting it for practice.  Your bowstring will only last about 100 shots, and the bow will have to get re-tuned, etc.    Because of the extremely short range of crossbows, and the use of good sights, they are pretty much "point and shoot" gear, if you simply hold steady and properly estimate the range.  They are, therefore, the opposite of compound or recurve bows, which take lots and lots of routine practice to get good and stay good.

       I had never shot one before, and when my brother let me shoot his crossbow with a scope, from a sitting position, it was very very easy for me to put all of my shots into a 4 inch black circle at 30 yards. When you pull the trigger, there is just a "thwap" sound, no recoil, and you look up and see the arrow right in the bullseye. 

  4.  My brother and his son both killed a deer the very first day they went hunting with their crossbows.  They were in tree stands, the deer walked by within 25 yards, and they each just aimed and shot. Each deer only ran about 30 yards, then dropped dead.

   5.  Greatest part, is that in Virginia, you can use a crossbow during the entire archery season, including the first day, when deer are totally unaware and just walking around.  It is easy to kill one during opening day, if it walks within range.  And, if you want, you can use your crossbow throughout muzzleloading season or gun season.  If your stand is in a good area, where maximum shots will only be 30 to 40 yards, it is a heck of a lot easier during muzzleloading season to just grab your crossbow and go, rather than fooling around with measuring, loading, and ramming powder and ball into a muzzleloader, and then trying to unload and clean a muzzleloader at the end of the day. 

   6.  My brother's son, my nephew, worked all summer to buy his second bow, which was a top of he line Bow-Tech, that he paid almost $800 for, and has a really heavy draw weight.  He has a scope mounted on it. From a sitting position, he can put consistently put arrows into the vital zone of a deer target at 40 yards, but he recognizes that this is the very outer limit of range, and he would never take a shot like that unless the deer were standing perfectly still, broadside, with a totally clear field of view.

   7.  Crossbows are surprisingly heavy.  They weigh every bit of what a standard rifle weighs, and often more.  But, this helps in the aiming process.

  Hope this info helps.   They love their bows.  BUT, I have to tell you that when you get up to the really powerful ones, they are really hard to draw and cock (at least for me), because you have to use your back and arm muzzles to pull back that 150 to 200 pounds of draw weight.

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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 11:54:48 AM »
I had not heard about the reversal on the scope. Why it really matters to them I have no clue whether here or there. Seems rather silly to me but then I can't cock the darn things anyway so it really doesn't matter. My strength isn't what it used to be.


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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2009, 06:36:37 AM »

  Yes Graybeard,

     I was shocked at how much strength it took to cock these things.  My brother hooked up the cocking cord, put one end in each of my hands, then told me to lean over, put my foot in the bow stirrup and just slowly and steadily "stand up" and pull upwards on the cord while holding onto the handles of the cord.   NOT! It was like deadlifting 125 pounds from a crouch.  I can't imagine how folks cock the 150+ pounders.

     If you have any type of back or shoulder problems, or light upper body strength, then forget these things altogether.  You could really hurt yourself.

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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2009, 07:00:16 AM »
I use a TenPoint with ACUdraw. Easy to cock and when practicing / sighting in you can use a cordless drill to run it.

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Re: I may just get a crossbow.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2009, 10:42:17 AM »
The one I had was a 175 pound pull and I was not able to cock it using the string thing not even close. I got one of the crank cockers and it broke on the second use. I gave up and gave the bow to my oldest son. Him and Matt both were able to cock it using the string cocking device.


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