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Offline Foxxtrot

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http://blogs.marketwatch.com/cody/2009/02/19/who-can-tell-the-difference-between-a-republican-and-democrat-or-left-and-right/





I gotta ask - How the heck can you tell the difference between “Republican” and “Democrat” or “Liberal” and “Conservative” or “Left” and “Right” any more?

Which ones say they are for Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare for and targeted help for the elderly, poor while pushing for and then passing legislation after law after bill after package that actually just give welfare to the people who were rich enough but stupid enough to buy things like Citigroup stock or bonds or are now in the ownership class in this country because they own real estate and borrowed heavily against their so-called equity from banks who were rich enough but stupid enough to leverage up lending people who were rich enough and stupid enough or dishonest enough to borrow money using real estate as an asset.

I mean seriously, the Republicans act like they’re for things like free-markets and capitalism and individualism while giving trillions — TRILLIONS — of dollars in free welfare, welfare loans and welfare guarantees (most guarantees of which, if history is any lesson of course, will become out and out losses) to corporations and creating new Medicare and Medicaid programs. While the Democrats act like they’re for things like helping poor people and fighting big business while giving trillions – TRILLIONS – of dollars in free welfare, welfare loans and welfare guarantees (most guarantees of which, if history is any lesson of course, will become out and out losses) to corporations and creating new Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Guys, doesn’t it figure that the markets won’t stabilize — neither stocks nor real estate nor the credit crisis and on an on — until the government stops politicizing marketplaces that were profit-driven marketplaces? 70 years of below market funneling of capital through tax breaks for those rich enough to use them to buy real estate of any sort wasn’t enough of a bubble? Now the Republicans and Democrats and the Left and the Right and the Liberals and Conservatives are all fighting over the details over just many hundreds of billions in direct welfare benefits and targeted tax tricks for the corporate and white collar people who are most well-connected and for the shareholders and bondholders of the banks and also want to out and out provide welfare to those who were rich enough but stupid enough to borrow more than they could easily afford to payback in the name of “stablizing” real estate?

Both sides say they want to create new policies and laws and regulations to make housing affordable using new targeted tax tricks and welfare for those rich enough to risk money on real estate right now. Wouldn’t housing, by definition, be more affordable if we let prices fall so the average American who’s been renting and saving can step in and buy some of that real estate that those people who used to be rich enough to risk their money on real estate during the bubble are selling?

Which way is up around here, much less which way is left and which one’s right.

I am completely frank and sincere when I tell you that I can not at all tell any difference between a Republican and Democrat except that each party has (some) different cronies.

I mean seriously, after the last 20 years of the Republican/Democrat Socialist Regime being on a power-hungry, wealth confiscatory overdrive, can you tell the difference? Comment below or join in the discussion at SpokeUp.com.

Ann Coulter’s on Happy Hour tonight and she’s gonna get one question from me, I figure: How the heck can you tell the difference between “Republican” and “Democrat” or “Liberal” and “Conservative” or “Left” and “Right” any more?

Mort Zuckerman is our guest for the markets discussion at the top of the show and will join me and Eric Bolling for Quick Shots too.

PS. I was on Judge Napolitano’s new FoxNews.com/StrategyRoom “Freedom Watch” TV show yesterday (it’s every Wednesday at noon EST) with Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and others. You can see the whole show on YouTube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw7U8JS1a4A
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Offline DDZ

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The only liberals I come in direct contact with are the few that I work with everyday. The differance I see, is that the liberals are always unhappy. They are always blaming someone else for thier problems. They are lazy, and all think that unions are the way for them to keep thier job. They are all for a womens right to choose. A political correct term for the right to murder. They claim to be the ones that are generous, but they are only generous with someone else's money. Its a fact that the majority of liberls do not donate to charity with thier money, but are generous with someone else's.
Many liberals don't think that you, or I should be able to own or carry a firearm. If fact many would like to see the constitution rewritten.
I see many differances between a liberal and a conservative. Although the gap has closed between a republican and democrat.
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As far as political parties go, there seems to be little to distinguish the two major players.  My dad, bless him, likes to paint all Democrat politicians as gun-grabbing villians.  The problem with that myopic view is that it denies the fact that there are plenty of Republican politicians on Capitol Hill who aren't exactly my gun owning best friend, either.  Were that not so, we would never have had the Assault Rifle Ban in 1994.  It couldn't have gone anywhere without BIPARTISAN support.

I don't trust any Washington D.C. polititian.  Could be my that my Cherokee ancestry doesn't help much, but I see the "Great White Fathers" in D.C. as speaking the devil's language of lies with seriously forked tongues.

Now, among "we the people," things are a bit different.  There definitely is a difference between liberals and conservatives, and it encompassess the whole of their thought processes on both sides.

On the one hand, you have selfishness and greed.  That is what drives the liberal agenda.  The non-office holding liberal goes for class envy big time, and wants what someone better off then them has, but doesn't want to have to use their own drive, ambition, and determination to get it.  They see wealth or the lack of it as a kind of cosmic game of chance.  If you're rich, you're lucky.  It is only by happenstance and chance that you have aquired wealth and held it.  If you're poor, you're blameless because the godess of fortune hasn't smiled on you, and no one has any control over that.  The unfairness of it all drives them to manufacture fairness like latter day Robin Hoods.

This is why people who make money off of art tend to be liberal.  There is a whole lot of "being in the right place at the right time" involved in the entertainment industry, at least with respect to who achieves stardom and who doesn't.  Its the same in the music business and in the literary world, and I know a bit about these because I derrive some of my keep from both as a session musician and freelance writer.  I know that I was in the right place at the right time, and that luck played a major role in my ability to make money doing something most people do as a hobby, or dream about making money at but never do. 

But I am not a liberal because I also recognize that the reason that I can continue to make money in those industries is because I work very hard to be the best that I can be and I am willing to work harder to satisfy paying business associates than others are.  So luck might have opened the door, but ambition, drive, and determination keeps those doors open.

But I digress.....

Liberal selfishness is best manifested in "a woman's right to choose."  She wants to engage in the act without dealing with the consequences of her actions.  She is willing to murder for convenience's sake and selfishiness is her motive.  An infant requires resources in time and money to raise and also requires the frequent denial of self for the good of the child.  In other words, it requires sacrafice.  The liberal is not willing to sacrafice, let alone do so for personal accountability reasons, but is perfectly willing to force others to sacrafice for them against their will.

Lacking drive, ambition, and a sense of personal accountability, the liberal is all too willing to trade liberty that they have no use for because they don't understand it for security that they do understand.  Rather than rise or fall on their own merits and initive, the liberal seeks to avoid the fall by looking for someone or something to play nanny to them.  That is why the go for social welfare on an organized, government level, rather than a personal one.

The liberal sees a homeless person who is hungry and says, "there ought to be a program for this" -which really means that those sucessfull greedy bloodsuckers ought to be taxed into oblivion and have their wealth re-distributed.

A truly compassionate person sees someone who is hungry and offers them food, and doesn't worry about paying for it from their own pocket.  They don't automatically look for government to step in.  If they think in terms of a program, they think about all of the like-minded people they know in their community who have a heart for the hungry, or homeless single mothers, or whatever, and they pool their resources and live the compassion they speak of.

Liberalism doesn't have a monopoly on compassion.  It does have a monopoly on monopolizing political power and wealth, born from a position of selfish greed.

The liberal doesn't want me to experience the wilderness from the seat of my Jeep.  They want me to walk through it.  I'd be willing to do that, and have on many occasions, when I could get enough time off from work to do so.  I don't drive my Jeep because I am too lazy to hike.  I drive my Jeep because it takes less time than walking, and I am too busy earning money and contirbuting to the economy 5 days a week to walk across a Mojave Desert that I could drive across in two.

The liberal denies the existence of God.  He does this because the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is a God of acountability and personal responsibility, which the liberal doesn't believe in. 

The liberal clings to the soft theory of Darwinian Evolution when the hard science of the second law of thermal dynamics suggests that Darwin got it wrong.  They cannot be bothered with facts that contrivine beliefs based on emotive thought.

Because they believe in evolution, they believe that society can evolve into something where poverty is unknown.  If they believed in God, however, they would know that the poor will always be with us, and they would also know that they have a personal responsibility to exhibit His grace by helping them personally, when possible.

Because they can't be bothered with truth that is contrary to their fictional belief system based on emotive thought, they run with the latest junk science of the day that allows them to further their own self-centered agendas.

These agendas run the gamut from drilling for oil in someone else's back yard and not their own to keeping the woods safe for granola-munching flower children who'll never actually wander in them by getting those evil, gun toting, murdering hunters out of them.

How many hunters want the granola munching, non consumptive users banned from public lands?  Not as many as compared to granola-munching non-consumptive types who want all hunters eliminated.

Why the difference?

Because first and foremost, we on the conservative side believe in liberty.  That is why we don't whine over Sierra Clubbing backbackers who want to share the woods with us, by and large.  Sometimes, some of us do essentially the same thing.  I frequently wander the wilds because I like wild country, whether there is a hunting season on or not.  I like to experience the freedom of wide open spaces.  I don't want to deny someone else that sense of freedom, because I believe in liberty.

We don't go for gun control, because we believe in personal accountability and recognize that a gun can't discharge on its own.  Somebody has to make it go bang. 

We don't believe in killing babies for the same kind of reasons.  We take responsibility for our actions, even if doing so requires sacrafice on our part.

We believe that crimes need to be punished for the same reasons.

Because we love liberty, we recognize the great though at times imperfect social experiment that the United States really is.  Because we believe in drive, determination, and ambition, we cherish the liberty that allows us to have the opportunity to use these qualities to achieve whatever we can dream or devise.  Because we cherish this liberty, and understand that other systems of governance don't rate it as highly, we are justifiably proud of our way of life, warts and all, and are not ashamed to proclaim it as better than any other system of government out there.

We love it so much that we are willing to lay down our lives so that others can continue to enjoy the blessings of liberty, if need be.

The liberal isn't willing to do that.  The liberal talks of the common collective good, but is far too spoiled and selfish to pay the ultimate sacrafice for it.

So yeah, there is a difference.  And it is vast.  I believe that it is increasingly unbridgeable.  I would like to let them alone to do their social experient their way, while I bask in the goodness of a tried and proven system that lets me strive to be the best that I can be and allows me the freedom to achieve anything I set my mind to achieve, and even lets me fail at times.

I'd rather be a free failure, at liberty to strive, than be forced to strive against my will for a socialist ideal.

YMMV, and all of that........

-JP

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  My dad, bless him, likes to paint all Democrat politicians as gun-grabbing villians.

Your dad is right.
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Easy to tell the difference!.................One always lies and the other never tells the truth ;D

For many years I thought there were differences, and chose the Republican side.



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  My dad, bless him, likes to paint all Democrat politicians as gun-grabbing villians.

Your dad is right.
          Beerbelly

Maybe so.....  I might stipulate it as fact on a national level, but I wouldn't be willing to do so on a more local level.  There are some politican types with (D) in front of their name who are more "pro-gun" than many with an (R) in front of it, though they're few and far between.

This causes me to ponder which is worse:  a person who tells you flat out that they will actively seek to infringe upon your right to keep and bear arms, or a person who promises they're on your side, then proves that they aren't by voting for more restrictions on the private ownership of firearms?

-JP

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Funny, but looking back it was the Democratics that were all for our rights to own guns.  Take a look at some of the Democratic leaders from the 50-60, John Stennis from Mississippi is one that comes to mind, Fulbright from AR, as well as several other powerful southern Democratics from almost every state.  The real changes in the party didn't start taking place until after about 1965, or during the Viet Nam period when the collages were producing so many "flower children."  Many of those in power today are the students from that time.