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Would White Get away with this ? I say it's racist
« on: May 13, 2009, 07:46:05 AM »
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Chicago Family's 'Buy Black' Experiment Becoming a Nationwide Movement
Tuesday , May 12, 2009


It's been two months since 2-year-old Cori pulled the gold stud from her left earlobe, and the piercing is threatening to close as her mother, Maggie Anderson, hunts for a replacement.
It's not that the earring was all that rare — but finding the right store has become a quest of Quixotic proportions.

Maggie and John Anderson of Chicago vowed four months ago that for one year, they would try to patronize only black-owned businesses. The "Empowerment Experiment" is the reason John had to suffer for hours with a stomach ache and Maggie no longer gets that brand-name lather when she washes her hair. A grocery trip is a 14-mile odyssey.

"We kind of enjoy the sacrifice because we get to make the point ... but I am going without stuff and I am frustrated on a daily basis," Maggie Anderson said. "It's like, my people have been here 400 years and we don't even have a Walgreens to show for it."

So far, the Andersons have spent hundreds of dollars with black businesses from grocery stores to dry cleaners. But the couple still hasn't found a mortgage lender, home security system vendor or toy store. Nonetheless, they're hoping to expand the endeavor beyond their Chicago home.

Plans are under way to track spending among supporters nationwide and build a national database of quality black businesses. The first affiliate chapter has been launched in Atlanta, and the couple has established a foundation to raise funds for black businesses and an annual convention.

"We have the real power to do something, to use the money we spend every day to solve our problems," Maggie Anderson said recently at a meet-and-greet in Atlanta. "We have to believe that black businesses are just as good as everybody else's."

Now, the Andersons are following up with 4,000 people who signed up for the experiment on their Web site to gauge their commitment and set up online accounts to track their spending. Hundreds have also joined the experiment's Facebook page, Maggie Anderson said.

Gregory Price, chairman of the economics department at Morehouse College, said black visionaries like Booker T. Washington and Marcus Garvey made similar calls to action.

"The idea is a sound one, given that black Americans are still underrepresented in the ranks of the self-employed and that entrepreneurship is a key component to wealth," Price said.

There are one million black businesses in the United States accounting for more than $100 billion in annual sales, according to the National Black Chamber of Commerce. The latest U.S. Census numbers report that blacks have more than $800 billion in expendable income each year.

The Andersons track their spending on their Web site and estimate about 55 percent of their monthly spending is with black businesses for things like day care, groceries, car maintenance and home improvements.

One of the businesses highlighted by the Empowerment Experiment is Brenda Brown's Atlanta wine boutique, a shop with a growing black clientele. She said the project can help overcome the problems many black consumers lament.

"When we were a community of black folks who could not go to the white stores, our community of black stores flourished," Brown said. "When we were given the opportunity to go into the white store, it was like nothing else mattered anymore and we wanted to go to the white store, regardless of what the black store provided. We could have the same or better products if we supported (black businesses) in the same way."

Lewis Peeples, 45, lives in a black neighborhood in southwest Atlanta but didn't think to spend his money with black businesses until a friend told him about the project.

"So often, we make purchases and decisions and aren't even mindful that there is a a need to support our own businesses," said Peeples. "Now, I'm reaching out and making sure I know that I have an option when I look to make a purchase."

Two months ago, he committed to patronizing black businesses and found a black dry cleaner 10 minutes from home. Even when he was dissatisfied with his black doctor, he was able to find a new one. He suggests both to friends and refers others to the experiment's Web site, where he tracks his expenses.

Dallas Smith, who owns a commercial real estate firm in Atlanta, said mainstream retailers have undervalued black consumers. He lives in a black neighborhood in southwest Atlanta, where he tries to dine at black restaurants. He lamented the lack of quality businesses catering to black customers and said blacks should appreciate such businesses more.

"We've still got that 'the white man's water is colder' mentality," he said. "We can't take us for granted. When we go to our establishments, it's almost like we're doing a favor. That ought to be a given for us."

The Andersons remain encouraged by their momentum online and in the media. At the end of 2009, they hope to show $1 million in spending with black businesses among supporters across the country.

"The response has been so huge," Maggie Anderson said. "We think so much can come out of this. We're in movement-making mode now."

Price, the Morehouse professor, said defining the project's success won't be easy, since the real barriers to black advancement are poor access to capital and lack of training opportunities.

"It would be nice to see some real, hard data," Price said. "Otherwise, it could just be an episode of ethnic cheerleadin

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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 08:10:41 AM »
In my area there is a concentrated Asian population with community papers and advertising flyers that mostly advertise Asian businesses. I think that's a fine thing because it allows the Asians among us to find businesses that cater to their sensibilities.

In the case of white businesses, in most places that means nearly all businesses, so there's really no need to advertise.

If I were black, I'd appreciate a paper like that. There are little things that are quite important. For example, hair care products. In my town there aren't any black people, so finding products that are made for afro-type hair will be impossible. Likewise, I'd want to go to a barber that knows how to cut afro hair. There are traditional comfort foods that may not be sold at many markets, religious artifacts, etc. I would also want to know, for example, real estate and insurance agents who know issues particular to black neighborhoods.

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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 08:27:23 AM »
 Once worked for a Jewish family owned plumbing business and we had to buy over 50% of the materials for each job from a Jewish owned supply house . Nothing new here
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 08:48:19 AM »
Shootall:

I assume it was a Jewish supply house with competitive prices. One of the beauties of the market is that people will deal with people like themselves, but will only do so if the price is right.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2009, 09:00:37 AM »
NO ! we get prices for each job . So going in we had to comply with the 50% + rule and it cost us in  loss jobs when we bid .
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 09:08:12 AM »
Interesting! One more reason to shop around when looking for bids on work.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 09:09:28 AM »
reverse racism is common place now.. still some of the ole vintage kind out there also.. none of it helps society no matter how pitiful an sad the story is.. we ll learn that somewhere someday mabe.just a excuse to mistreat those different than yourself.. slim..

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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 09:17:08 AM »
I am will to bet that they get their income from a WHITE man. 

This is another crock of BS, kinda like a gay saying I am going to buy from that butcher because he doesn't play "hide the sausage. ::)

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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 09:20:14 AM »
 :D

It's true that double standards and hypocrisy are rampant.

To keep the mood light: I absolutely refuse to knowing buy anything from, or do business with, a Viking fan.  I'll talk with them and be as cordial as I can, but that's it.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 09:28:13 AM »
Questor , any time you are getting bids get at least 3-4 , if possible from businesses from different areas . In construction each company has men , trucks and tools that allow them a certian volume of work . To exceed that volume they must add all three . the tools and trucks are expensive and the cost spread over several or more jobs . So in a nut shell when bidding work that takes one over that limit you increse the price to allow the cost
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 09:52:49 AM »
:D

It's true that double standards and hypocrisy are rampant.

To keep the mood light: I absolutely refuse to knowing buy anything from, or do business with, a Viking fan.  I'll talk with them and be as cordial as I can, but that's it.

I agree with your philosophy on this one TribReady, they simply can't be trusted to deliver...
and they have that "always a bridesmaid never a bride"  attitude
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2009, 10:04:19 AM »
Is it racist? Sure it is.

Still I'm all for it and have no problem if each racial group wishes to patronize ONLY their own little nitch group. Who cares other thant he government and they only care if you are white. I don't deal with any black only business locally myself. Basically I can't imagine what they'd have to offer I'd be interested in anyway.

I'm not so bad I won't buy in a business who employs other racial groups than white and don't particularly care that they do or don't it just isn't an issue for me. However given a choice of going thru a check out line where the person running the register is white or something else I will chose the one with a white person as I can speak to them easier and understand what they say. I have to admit I have a hard time understanding many of the blacks and especially so the folks from India or Pakistan whichever it is that has become so common these days. I often hang up when calling customer service and keep redialing until I get a person on the other end I can understand as I really can't carry on a conversation with many of the folks used in CS these days. It's not so much that I don't like them I just can't understand them.


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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2009, 10:17:31 AM »
People do business with others they have things in common with, always have, always will. The problem occurs when the gov't tries to control the process.

I hang up on customer service people too, some because I can't understand them, others because it's obvious they will be of no help.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2009, 02:26:01 PM »
I could not tell you who owns the businesses I deal with on a regular basis. Don't care what their race is. If they give quality service, fair prices I deal with them.

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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2009, 02:38:01 PM »
I always say, take a speech by any black activist and switch the word black with white and see how racist it sounds, especially to someone black.

I really try not to let the racist attitudes of my upbringing sway my views of people but it is difficult at times.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2009, 02:59:57 PM »
Aint that weird ,After yeasrs of bitching and whining they want segeration back.Whats jessy and his crowd going to do now?
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2009, 03:20:57 PM »
Well slap my fro. What a hateful and racist thing to say.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2009, 03:38:33 PM »
I could not tell you who owns the businesses I deal with on a regular basis. Don't care what their race is. If they give quality service, fair prices I deal with them.

That' the key to the kingdom right there. Work hard and regardless of your race, you will get somewhere. Give good service and people will come back.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2009, 12:40:03 AM »
That's nothing new, left to their own devices people will choose to segregate themselves.  It's a comfort thing.  That's why you have ethnic neighborhoods, each one with their own grocers, restaurants, auto repair, what have you.  What screws things up is when the government gets involved and tries to force everyone to mingle.  Kind of like forced bussing in the 70's. 
I also agree with the whole language barrier thing, I hate having to struggle to understand someone when I need a problem resolved.
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Re: Would White Get away with this I say itr racist
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2009, 05:22:30 AM »
I always say, take a speech by any black activist and switch the word black with white and see how racist it sounds, especially to someone black.

I really try not to let the racist attitudes of my upbringing sway my views of people but it is difficult at times.
You are totally Correct I commend you on this Deep short Post
they would never go for it If you /I changed the wording from Black too White
Jesse, Al and all the rest of the Hoodlums would be Screaming their Racist Heads off
 

 As a kid I remember all the Jewish People would shop at "Hymie's" a Jewish owned Grocer and it was very common for Italians and other Ethnic People would do business with their own kind, But never really make mention of it
 How ever as to Black in General in my home town the People would rob and steal from their own
During the 60's and rioting they stole from them selves and ruined what they couldn't take
I feel they still self inflict JMHO


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Re: Would White Get away with this ? I say it's racist
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2009, 08:54:42 AM »
My "Buy Celtic" experiment began and ended at the Pub ... not much else from the isles worth buying  ;D Thistle Pride!
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Re: Would White Get away with this ? I say it's racist
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2009, 12:13:11 AM »
I enjoy eating at "purely" ethnic resturants.
It seems too me that this etnic buying goes back to Ellis Island. People looking for products they are familiar with.
The temptation to call this reverse racism is easy. It may not be true, but if a business says they will only sell to kindred or like population then is true.
When I deal with customer service, over the phone, I always ask for an onshore agent, and, I get transferred to an english speaking agent.
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