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Offline His lordship.

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Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« on: May 19, 2009, 01:59:26 PM »
I have heard that some of the pellet gun makers make claims about their product claiming that their velocity is actually higher than reality, I read a book on airguns that said the makers use the lightest pellets available to make the claim of high velocity.

Anyone check with a chronograph to see if the gun shoots as high as the what box (specs.) say?

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »
I chronographed my RWS 36 in .22  a long time ago and got around 900 fps with Crosman Domed pellets weighing around 14 gr.  That is about 100 fps higher than the manufacturer specified.  Since I was running a local "Jaycee Shooting Education" program with the Daisy 499 BB guns, I chronographed several of them and found a very consistant 240 fps with BB's that were separated by diameter.

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 02:13:48 PM »
Yes, as a matter of fact, I have.

I used the pellet gun to familiarize myself with the chrono so I've shot it a lot over the chrony.

My Techforce 99, advertised a velocity of 1100 fps.  However, the chrono show's it doing 800.

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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 06:01:50 AM »
Don't waste your time with such!  I know I spent years doing so, everything you have ever read about ballistics is not true in the real world, except in the most general terms.  This means (well it is kind of true), there is a very popular book on ballistics out there that had wrong math in it, it is the same wrong math used by gun writes for years.  You can quote me on this, the difference in bullet drop when shooting up or down hill, has noting to do with distance!  It has to do with the difference in gravity or the fact that the drop of the bullet becomes less, during the same time of flight.  The only difference in distance is because the time of flight is longer the farther the bullet travels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


1# Velocity testing by airgun makers is almost always done with the lightest pellets, which in turn leaves you with the most inaccurate pellets, in high powered guns!   Velocities above or near the speed of sound are bad for pellet accuracy, those shot below this range usually shoot much better.  Some pellets are made of very soft lead, and pushing them that hard usually deforms them and accuracy go south.

2# Airgun barrels often end up being choked, having a tight spot, sometimes this is intentional by the manufacture, like walther barrels, but in many cases it is cause by the crimping on of sights or breach blocks and such.

3# Pellets are stamped lead, well most are, and they are poorly made, case in point Crosman’s last batch of 177 caliber Premiers that I bought are so bad, that I thought that my very costly custom pcp’s were damaged!  When you have a rifle that goes from shooting .2 or .3 at fifty yards, to one that won’t shoot inside an inch a forty you get real unhappy!  Only a few hours of sorting and sizing in this extreme case solves most of the problem, but tossing half the lead does not make me happy.  Nor am I thrilled with the improved groups,  I guess I will have to switch to the JSB’s, even if I have to modify my guns to do so....

4# look for accuracy and not high velocity, because all the speed and power in the world won’t kill a mouse if you miss it!

5# pointed pellets usually have very bad ballistic coefficient, because they don't fly straight, that is to say that they almost never fly center on their axis   

6# Round nose pellets have higher ballistic coefficients because even when they wobble, (yaw), they  tend to stabilize as mush as they are going to in a very short time, unless they are deformed by the barrel or if they are unbalanced to begin with.

Jim Baumann

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 07:26:38 AM »
With .177 pellets ranging from 5 grains to 9.3 grains depending on design and materials....
You are going to have a wide range of variation in what an air rifle will do.
I just found the round that worked best for my rifle and do not care if I am getting 1000 Fps, more or less. 
All I care is that I can hit what I want to across the back yard.

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 11:59:51 AM »
  I chronoed one of my .177 cal. RWS 45's, and it was 850 with the heaviest pellets i could find, 950 with middle weights, and 1,050fps with the lightest ones...  It's rated 900fps...

  That was long ago, before there was as many choises as there are today...

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 01:55:13 PM »
With .177 pellets ranging from 5 grains to 9.3 grains depending on design and materials....
You are going to have a wide range of variation in what an air rifle will do.
I just found the round that worked best for my rifle and do not care if I am getting 1000 Fps, more or less. 
All I care is that I can hit what I want to across the back yard.

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 04:55:32 AM »
Thanks for the info, I guess it comes down to the fact that when buying a new pellet rifle, take the stated velocity as a potential speed with certain ammo, but in reality the pellet that performs the best probably will not go that fast.

Most of my airgun varmint hunting has been at close range or at distance from height, I can hit what I am aiming at being up high, on a hill or a third floor window.  I was at the gun range a few days ago and spent an hour shooting my Benjamin 392 in .22 cal. at 50 yards, it was amazing at how much the pellet drops at that distance on a flat range with only 3-5 pumps.  The idea that I can hit a house sparrow at the outer ranges is ridiculous.  I suppose the answer for the outer range hunting is to use a flatter shooting caliber like the .177 or .20.  Ah, now I have an excuse to buy another pellet rifle. 

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2009, 09:12:52 AM »
My old 124 FWB does about 825 fps with its new spring, piston and seal. My old 300 FWB match rifle does about 575 fps. Those are for the heavier H&N match wadcutter pellets. I also chronographed both at 23 yards and to get info for trajectory so as to decide on the best distance to zero either rifle. In doing so I found that the average ballistic coeficient of that pellet is a lot better at lower velocities than at higher velocities. Also, got 18 grackles so far today with the 300 FWB. Will ptobably end up with 25 or more by the end of the day.

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 03:25:06 PM »
Keep popping those Grackles (we call them Starlings here in Ga).
I despise those little suckers. I have an old Sheridan that there is no
counting how many starlings and bluejays it has taken. I was sitting at work today
and the back lawn was crawling with starlings. Kind of gritting my teeth looking at them.
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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2009, 04:10:32 PM »
  Starlings are a slightly smaller bird than a grackle, there's too many of both!

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2009, 05:22:11 PM »
I have chronographed (Oehler M35P) lots of pellets through numerous air rifles.  I set the start screen 1' from the muzzle with a 2' screen spacing.  I also have chronographed at 50 yards to get an accurate BC on some pellets.  It is worthwhile knowing what your pellet rifle is really doing.  Most all springers (can't speak for PCP guns as I don't use them) are factory tested with the lightest pellets.  As mentioned in previous posts this probably is not going to be the most accurate. I've universally found the quality domed pellets to give the best accuacy and field performance (target or hunting) out to the maximum effective range of any pellet rifle.  Since the spring power is a constant the heavier the pellet the less the velocity will be.  Interesting to note that the ft lbs of a springer remain the same regardless of the velocity. 

I use a RWS M54 in .22 cal for most of my serious hunting with an air rifle.  With 14.3 gr CPs the velocity is right at 800 fps which is less than the 900+ fps as advertised.  However, with the RWS 11.9 gr Hobby WC the velocity is 910 fps but accuracy is not great at 10 yards and is barely acceptable at 25 yards, beyond that accuracy sucks.  The CPs shoot as well at 90 yards as the light weight WCs shoot at 25 yards.

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Re: Anyone chronograh their pellet guns?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 04:51:44 PM »
"Yes, as a matter of fact, I have.

I used the pellet gun to familiarize myself with the chrono so I've shot it a lot over the chrony.

My Techforce 99, advertised a velocity of 1100 fps.  However, the chrono show's it doing 800.

You just can't trust those commie's."


LOL.  Good one.

I've checked velocity on mine before too.  Don't feel like finding the papers and giving the info, suffice it to say it was more on par of what I expected than what they claimed, especially since I didn't have the same pellets they "tested".