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Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« on: July 12, 2009, 02:16:45 PM »
Hi, I got a gamo shadow 1000 for Christmas 04 (or 05 at the latest.)  It didn't shoot worth beans, and I sent it back to gamo (had to pay for shipping both ways).  Customer service was good, and they sent me another one which arrived in under 2 weeks.  This one was as bad or worse than the first.  both shot a tight group in one place, then shoot all over the paper (I mean 10" between subsequent shots, and this is at 20 feet).  It will then settle into another tight group, usually a good 4-6" from the last group.  I tried all different brands of pellets, scope and open sights, and it wasn't my shooting, I'm a very good marksman (and I tried it from a bench and a vice just in case I was completely messing up with the springer recoil).  I was exasperated, and didn't want to pay for shipping again (the gun isn't expensive enough to warrant shipping back and forth for eternity).  They wouldn't let me upgrade at the factory, and I gave up on it. So, It's been leaning in the corner for a couple years now.

I've been seeing some good reviews on the shadow 1000's lately, and I'm wondering if the newer ones are more consistent?  I'm not going to pay for shipping again if I am unlikely to get a decent shooter.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 06:29:25 AM »
I bought one back in 2002. It shot just like crap. I put it down for 5 years but recently picked it up again. I put a scope on it and at 20 yards it will shoot into 3/4 inch. That's better. I can't explain what I did it just started shooting better. Must be broken in.

All I can tell you is try many different pellets. The pointed pellets generally don't shoot that good but your mileage might vary. The other factor is how you hold it. Springers are very sensitive to pressure from your hold. I have good luck with a very light hold.

Stick with it. They are good pellet guns. They are not Beeman but they cost a lot less.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 01:03:30 PM »
Forget Gamo Shadow 1000. For $200.00+- get a 34. This one can shoot .25" at 60' all day long.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2009, 08:46:01 AM »
Well, I feel like an idiot now.  I took the gun, scrubbed it clean, fired about 600 pellets through it (cleaning every 60 shots) and now it shoots like a dream.  A ragged hole at 30 feet (farthest I have where I live).

I really don't care about all of my past woes with Gamo so long as it keeps shooting like this.  There must have been a burr(s) in the rifling or something.


I am pretty sure I'm not buying another one though!

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2009, 12:54:15 PM »
I had one of the gamo 1000's and used it a lot for animal damage control work. Worked on everything from squirells to raccoon with never a hitch. The wife bought the rifle and scope package for me and it was a decent shooter up until I traded it for a bear kodiak magnum recurve. The bow in my opinion is worth a lot more than the rifle and the guy was happy with the trade. I had it for several years and figured it was time to maybe get another one. I'd buy another 1000 in a heart beat.
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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 08:15:39 AM »
Forget Gamo Shadow 1000. For $200.00+- get a 34. This one can shoot .25" at 60' all day long.

Hmmm, must be something wrong with my 1000, it can do the same thing. ;D
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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 08:27:15 AM »
I bought one back in 2002. It shot just like crap. I put it down for 5 years but recently picked it up again. I put a scope on it and at 20 yards it will shoot into 3/4 inch. That's better. I can't explain what I did it just started shooting better. Must be broken in.

All I can tell you is try many different pellets. The pointed pellets generally don't shoot that good but your mileage might vary. The other factor is how you hold it. Springers are very sensitive to pressure from your hold. I have good luck with a very light hold.

Stick with it. They are good pellet guns. They are not Beeman but they cost a lot less.

You are absolutely right. That barrel has to be clean. I use Superdome 7.7gr pellets and replaced the trigger with a GRT III. It out shoots any 34 in the neighborhood.
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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 06:32:37 PM »
  OK,I know (heard) Gamo's are the bottom of the barrel but before I knew any better I bought a wood-stocked 220 Hunter about 4 yrs.ago My reply doesn't address your 1000 but my 220 will shoot with the best,especially after I switched from pointed pellets to Crossman Copperhead Supermatch weighing 7.9 gr. Not only did accuracy improve but the flat point is deadly on game. And the scope? Well,a 30 yr.old Bushnell Sportview which is supposed to have fallen apart from day one. Last time I shot it there were 8 holes in the Bull the size of a quarter at about 25 yds,maybe a little farther and this is no bull. I just get tired of folks running down Gamo. End of rant.  Kix

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 12:07:56 AM »
I'm new to air rifles. At least the better quility, read hi power air guns at least.

 I have had a 34 for many years. I picked it up in a trade as it didnt work, turned out the trigger was broken. I got a replacement and have enjoyed it ever since.

Last week, my Pop picked up a Gamo fixed barrel. CX something???  Well it is doing exactly what you guys are talking about!! Two/three shots nice then the next 2-3" out. I sincerely hope this clears up with more shooting/cleaning. Anyone tried JB Bore paste on the barrels? Is it too harsh? Are air gun barrels "soft" making this a bad idea?? Sorry for the mini hi-jack. ::)

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 02:05:11 AM »
CW- I have never used JB`s on an ait rifle but would not hesitate to do so. Tooth past would be alittle more agressive and if the JB`s didn`t work I would try that followed by more JB`s.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 02:16:13 AM »
I bought a Gamo Whisper this year and have found that pellet types can affect accuracy in a big way. Crossman Premier Hollow points are very accurate in this rifle.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 10:33:36 PM »
Hi, I got a gamo shadow 1000 for Christmas 04 (or 05 at the latest.)  It didn't shoot worth beans, and I sent it back to gamo (had to pay for shipping both ways).  Customer service was good, and they sent me another one which arrived in under 2 weeks.  This one was as bad or worse than the first.  both shot a tight group in one place, then shoot all over the paper (I mean 10" between subsequent shots, and this is at 20 feet).  It will then settle into another tight group, usually a good 4-6" from the last group.  I tried all different brands of pellets, scope and open sights

I administer a website about hunting upland game birds with air rifles, which is legal in California and has been since 2000.  One of our favorite rifles is the early production Gamo Shadow 1000.  It is a favorite because its power to weight ratio is pretty much unmatched in spring piston break barrel guns.  It is accurate enough to hit the vital zone of a valley quail at 50 yards or more, and it shoots flat enough to have a maximum point-blank range of 50 yards.  With the right pellets (hint: they don't have flat heads, but domed ones), it will carry 9 foot pounds of thump to the 50 yard line.  That is three to four times the amount of power needed to cleanly kill a quail and double the amount needed to cleanly kill cottontail rabbits.  I've shot well over two dozen of these rifles and each one of them behaved pretty much as the quoted poster described when new.  Once broken in, however, they were almost all good for at least 1.5" five shot groups at 50 yards on a relatively wind-free day.  Many would stick 5 of their favorite pellets into clusters at 50 yards that you could cover with a quarter.

What Gamo doesn't explain so well in the literature supplied with their rifles is that spring-piston air rifles are generally prone to "dieseling" when new.  Excess lube gets past the piston seal and is combusted just as #2 diesel oil is in a Cummins B series engine.  In a new spring-piston air rifle, however, this dieseling isn't uniform from shot to shot.  You'll get velocity variation from shot to shot because of this.  You'll also get "blown" pellet skirts coupled with exessive obturation of the pellet.  This results in a pellet base that is no longer square in relation to the axis of the bore.  When such a pellet reaches the muzzle, it cannot be evenly released to flight.  A portion of it is released before the remainder.  This introduces yaw, which is manifested in errant flight to the target.

This isn't just a Gamo problem.  You can have an R-series Beeman do this right out of the box, too.  I know because I've had several do so.  Beeman, however, includes plenty of literature explaining what is going on, and they flat out tell you not to expect stellar accuracy until you've shot upwards of 1,000+ pellets through one of their guns.

During this break in period, two things are happening:  The excess lube is getting consumed, and the piston seal is "wearing in" to make a more effecient seal with the compression chamber walls.

Aside from the issues I already mentioned, dieseling also causes more harshness and vibration in the discharge cycle, so now you get bizzare vibration eroding accuacy even more, and it can be pretty severe.  It was enough on my first Gamo 1000 to destroy a Simmons Pro Air scope that cost more than the rifle did in about 50 shots.

A quick cure for this dieseling problem is what we call the "Tin of Kodiaks Tune."  Beeman Kodiak pellets in .177 weigh in at 10.5-10.6 grains and are heavier than other .177 pellets.  It takes more pressure to get them moving.  This increased resistance forces the piston seal into doing a better sealing job.  Normally, the dieseling you get while shooting these in a new springer will be less severe than if you shot lighter pellets and it won't last for as many shots before consistancy from shot to shot becomes more normalized.  Once you're at that point, you can switch to lighter pellets if you wish.


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, and it wasn't my shooting, I'm a very good marksman (and I tried it from a bench and a vice just in case I was completely messing up with the springer recoil).  I was exasperated, and didn't want to pay for shipping again (the gun isn't expensive enough to warrant shipping back and forth for eternity).  They wouldn't let me upgrade at the factory, and I gave up on it. So, It's been leaning in the corner for a couple years now.

The poster above might indeed be an excellent marksman with firearms but that doesn't automatically translate to being an excellent shot with a spring-piston air rifle, because there is a technique to shooting one which is alien to many who come from a firearms background.  The quoted poster's mention of shooting off a bench and in a vice pretty much demonstrates a lack of understanding of commonly accepted proper springer shooting technique.

This is another area that Gamo doesn't address in their literature packed with their guns that is addressed in the literature that Beeman packs with its R-series models.

For a variety of reasons, spring-piston air rifles DO NOT shoot well from solid rests.  They definitely don't tend to shoot well when shot from vices or off bipods, either.  Accuracy is achieved by hold the rifle relatively loosely and letting it do its thing under recoil, rather than trying to restrain it.  A spring piston air rifle will tend to have a "sweet spot" on the fore-end where your OPEN PALM needs to go.  They tend to not like being strangled by the trigger hand with a tight grip, either.  I shoot with a very loose grip and don't wrap my thumb around the wrist of the stock.  I don't pull the butt super-tight off of my shoulder, either.

If you look at the trigger guard of an R-series Beeman, you'll see that it has cast-in "checkering" and that isn't there for decoration.  Some of us like to support the rifle by placing the TG on the thumb of the support hand, with the wood fore-end resting on splayed index and middle fingers.  That is how I usually shoot.

I will also submit that the technique for getting accuracy out of spring piston air rifles is very demanding and much more so than that sloppiness you can get away with shooting powder burners.  There are many reasons for this but one of the major ones is the amount of dwell time that air rifle pellets spend in the bore.  It is significantly longer than that of even the lowest powered firearms.  Spring piston air rifles are capable of surprising accuracy but realizing it IS NOT easy.

Beeman makes that clear in their supplied literature that they pack with their guns.  They also explain proper springer shooting technique.

One of the reasons why pre-charged pneumatic guns are so popular in the UK is because they are MUCH easier to shoot accurately, can be shot from solid rests and bi-pods accurately, and aren't as technically demanding to shoot.  They also don't recoil as much and discharge cycle vibration is nill, so they are potentially even more precise than break-barrel spring piston guns are.   

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I've been seeing some good reviews on the shadow 1000's lately, and I'm wondering if the newer ones are more consistent?  I'm not going to pay for shipping again if I am unlikely to get a decent shooter.  Thanks!

The new ones aren't any more consistant from the older ones, from what I've seen.  In fact, I think they're far less desireable now, and we no longer recommend them like we once did on my website.  A couple of years ago, Gamo changed the lockup from the double-opposed wedge style as found on Beeman R-series guns to the cross-pin and wedge style common on older Webleys.  The advantage of the double-opposed wedge lockup is that it essentially wears in rather than wearing out and barrel angle remains more constant over long-term use because of this.  It is a superior system but it costs more to make, so Gamo shelved it to keep the Shadow at a price point.  It's still probably better than detent ball lockup, but not by much.

You DO NOT want to use JB Bore paste or similar abrasive compounds on an air rifle barrel.  They aren't normally made from chro-mo steel, but much softer stuff, and the rifleing is very shallow and, in guns like R-series Beemans or RWS Dianas, the barrels are also choke-bored.  Shooting pure lead pellets, which most Haendler and Nattermann / Beeman pellets pretty much are, will make your bore mirror smooth in normal use.

You don't want to clean an air rifle bore too much, either.  Remember that dieseling stuff?  Well, it never really completely goes away.  What it does do is become uniform and much milder, but it is always there to some degree.  In shooting, there is usually enough lube getting into the bore to keep it from rusting.  So unless you live in a very humid climate, you generally don't need to oil an air rifle bore, let alone clean it.  You only clean when accuracy starts to degrade.

I still like the older Gamos and regret selling mine.  The triggers stink but can be fixed with Bob Werner's GTX replacement.  With that trigger, an older Shadow has a lot going for it as a small game hunting rifle.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 11:59:03 PM »
JP,
 Thank you for that VERY informative post!!! BUKU INFO IN THERE!!!

Well, I did clean my barrels and have noticed an increase in accuracy. With my RWS, shooting over my hood at about 40 yards with "H" point pellets I'm now getting about 1.250 groups. I am satisfied. With pops GAMO his is beginning to settle in and now averaging about 2" @ same range. But getting more consistently under this.

I looked at the rifling closely and decided against the JB when seeing the tiny lands and grooves. I used Remington solvent that works great in my 22's on a Bore snake.

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Re: Gamo Shadow 1000, newer ones better?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 10:25:22 PM »
I used Remington solvent that works great in my 22's on a Bore snake.

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CW...

If that Remington bore cleaner you're talking about is the same stuff that I use on my .223 Handi-Rifle from time to time, I would strongly advise against using it on air rifles -particularly spring piston air rifles- for several reasons......

Here, I am assuming that the stuff you're talking about and the stuff I occassionally use are one and the same.  If so, I firmly believe that stuff is too abrasive for an air rifle bore.  In addition to the abrasives, it also contains petrolium distilates. 

A good rule of thumb with springers is to AVOID using firearms cleaners and solvents with them.  I rarely clean my air rifle bores.  There is obviously no powder to foul them and the velocity is low enough that leading normally isn't an issue.  They sort of oil their bores themselves in shooting, as I believe I mentioned previously.  There really isn't much to clean.

That said, the misty lube that gets deposited in the bore can build up in it over time.  It causes the same problems that I get with T/C Natural Lube 1000 in my .50 Great Plains Rifle.  It builds up to the point that accuracy suffers.

I really like Simple Green household cleaner for airgun bores when I do clean them.  No distillates and no abrasives.  After cleaning your bore, you stick felt cleaning pellets in the breech and shoot them out, thus putting a little misty oil that gets past the piston seal down the bore to prevent it from rusting.

BTW, I also find shooting sports and my TJ Jeep to be a natural combination!

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