H&R/NEF vs. Rossi

[yooper77]

straydog,

The SB2 Frame has nothing over the Encore since it can too take the same pressures.

The 454 Casull was standardized in 1998, its is maximum average pressure was set at 65000 psi.  I have a factory 12" 454 Casull Encore barrel.  I have had no pressure problems, or action opening upon firing and very excellent accuracy.  The 460 S&W and 500 S&W magnums are also available in factory Encore barrels.
 
The problem is you don’t really know what pressures they are running in their Ruger #1 loads, so I wouldn’t use it in anything but the Ruger #1.  Even if you have had no problems with your SB2 frame, just unsafe and not worth the risk to me.

yooper77

[straydog]

Yooper77,
Maybe its just my TC that has that action blowing open problem??
The people at Conley Ammo told me that their Ruger#1 Loads were at
44000psi and the H&R Gun Shop says their SB2 frame can easily handle
that pressure.I would love to get my hands on another TC 45-70 and try that load and see.Also I might just send mine back because its almost new and have them check it out.But speaking for myself I have no concerns with that H&R being able to handle that load.    Thanks and safe Shooting!
Dont get me wrong,I think TC though makes some Great Guns!!!   

[quickdtoo]

Ruger load levels depend on the data source, highest I've seen is from Barnes which is the data I use for their 300gr TSX-FB in my SS 45-70 H&R Ultra Hunter, Barnes sets their Ruger #1 data limit at 55kpsi. Certainly a Ruger #1 is a much stronger action and would support those loads long after the H&R becomes unsafe to shoot with a sustained diet of those loads, but for the average shooter, the H&R will work fine for it's intended purpose and I seriously doubt most shooters would ever wear one out if it's properly maintained. 

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/45-70RugerNo1Web.pdf

[straydog]

quickdtoo,
Do you shoot the 55Kpsi loads in your ultra.
If so aprox. how many rounds annually.
If not whats the highest psi you shoot.

[quickdtoo]

Yes, but not a lot, I have four H&R 45-70s, I've only shot Ruger loads in two of them and just enough to work up a load. I also have a 500S&W which has a SAAMI MAP of 60kpsi and a case head which is about .020" bigger than a 45-70, but I've not seen any loads with pressures more than about 52kpsi, it has about 150 rounds thru it and is going fine. Spend some time in the H&R Centerfire Rifle forum here for more info on H&Rs. 

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/board,126.0.html

[straydog]

Thanks a lot.
Maybe its just me but I still feel the H&R quality is very good.
I feel they are as rugged as any of the other guns.
I would much rather hunt with it over my Ruger#1
It just feels so much better for actual hunting,at least for me.
 Also awesome group you shot there.
    Thanks!

[Rex in OTZ]

I had shot a friends Rossi 17HMR this gun came with a 12Ga barrel as well, they are very spartin and definately utilitarian with the import widget on the side the receiver dident detract from its accuracy & function one bit, they are hard on the eyes but not on the wallet and the rifles I did see first hand shot well so I guess this sore looking gun gets little respect

from what Ive seen of Brazilian mfg guns they are sound models working guns made of steel & wood
For what you pay for them they are a good value, considering if these same arms were mfg in the USA they would be more expensive, probibly also more attractive looking??

Today there are two Rossi combo packages down at the Gun shop, one was a 20ga,.22lr,.308
the other was a .17HMR,12ga,.243 they top out a tad over $300 for the package deal.

[dpastordan]

I just put my Rossi up for sale.  It is a .30-06.  I wanted to have a truck rifle ... one with iron sights and did not mind it getting banged around.  Problem was I could not sight the rascal in with the iron sights.  I changed the sights...no go.  I attempted to put on the scope mount but the front screws refused to budge.  I had this over 3 years...gave it every chance but it is going.

I have a Rossi that I originally bought in .45/70.  Scope or iron sights - Very accurate...1 1/2 groups regularly at 100 yards.  I added a .30-30 barrel and scoped it - 1" groups with 150 grain Remington corelokts and 1 1/2" with 170 grain Federal Noslers.  I added a .243 barrel with iron sights...it is the poorest of the group...2-3" at 50 yards.  I added a .223 and put on a 6 power - 1" groups with 55 grain bullets of different sorts. 

[straydog]

Thats the problem I had with my Rossi guns.(got rid of them all)
One might be ok, the next two were junk.
Buy a synthetic H&R SB2 in .308 Win instead of the 30-06
Shoot the Hornady loads in 180gr @ 2900fps+
check out how close to 300 win Mag-----

Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy for 300 winchester magnum:
165 gr (10.7 g) Nosler partition 3,050 ft/s (930 m/s) 3,408 ft·lbf (4,621 J)
180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition 2,960 ft/s (900 m/s) 3,502 ft·lbf (4,748 J


Bet that H&R will group 1" groups or less?
Midwest hunter Outlet has em for $225
Mine shoots .75 MOA  consistently (I put a Burris short mag scope on it)
 

[petemi]

A couple of years ago, I looked at a Rossi combo and just didn't like the feel and finish and declined.  Shortly later, I ran into a gently used Handi .45-70 and it was love at first sight.  It shoots sub MOA.  I shoot it regularly at 300 yards.  I dropped a nice buck in his tracks, on the trot at 220 yards last November.  That was my first H&R/NEF.  If you look below at my signature, it was just the beginning.  I'm more than pleased with all of them, and a .44 Mag Handi is joining them this Monday.

Pete

I forgot to mention, those are complete guns, not accessory barrels, and all the rifles are scoped.

[straydog]

My friend you are one smart man.
They are by far the best value out there .
To be a better deal, they would have to give them to us free.
   Enjoy them Handis