i have a lyman kit coming from midway, on sale 99.00 hopefully it will be here by 12-23,that way i can pour some ingots and check it out over the holidays,i bought a lee mold .475-400gr tried it a little bit but want to get serious with it ,waiting on a couple ballisticast molds hopefully they will get here soon :grin: the kit comes with lyman manual, pot , 450 lube/sizer.cant wait :grin: