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Offline gasr55

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« on: September 22, 2003, 03:42:36 AM »
I recently decided to take up handgun reloading after reloading shotshells for a couple of years so i dont have a lot of reloading experience period.
  I bought lymans 48th edition reloading manual for rifles and handguns and all the bullets they used were top end bullets such as hornady and speer etc. which are bullets that i eventually will want to use i am sure but for right now i am just trying to save a little money for target shooting and would like to use a more cost efficient bullet such as winchester bulk packs.
  My question is do i have to follow the reloading recipe exactly and use only the suggested bullet or can i change bullet brands as long as the bullet weights are the same? also are there any websites for load recipes? just so you know i am planning on reloading for .38 special/.357 cartridge.

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Yes you can but....
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2003, 06:26:57 AM »
The shape and style of a bullet is also impertant.  The 'Ogive' is a very important factor that determines  OAL (over-all length).  The Ogive is the shape of the bullet from it's tip to the point where it it is full diameter of the bullet.  Some are basically straight, and some are curved, this will change the length of the thicker part of the bullet and where it engages the rifling.  For instance, if you are using data for spire-points, you will not want to load something like a  wad-cutter to the same length.  It is pretty simple.  This is what I do, take a spent case, and insert a new bullet in the neck, leave it as long as possible.  If it dosent stay in the neck of the case , just bite the neck a little or squeeze it sligtly oval with a pliers.  The idea is to just hold the bullet with a little pressure.  Then gently chamber your dummy round, and remove it.  Measure the OAL, and this will tell you where THIS bullet is engaging the rifling. I do this a few times to make sure it is consistent.  I usually back off .010 from that length...some target shooters like it tight.  If you are using hard-cast and lighter loads, I would back off even more.
  Also...pressures can change with different bullets, ie, round-nose or pointed etc. Solid Copper like Barnes X should ALWAYS be loaded with specific data for that bullet.
  Just remember the golden rule.  Most books have a starting load listed, use that and work your way up .5 grs at a time.  Maximum loads listed are seldom the most accurate load for your rifle.
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P.S. Keep a log book
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2003, 06:36:14 AM »
Even if you got the load from a book. Enter it in your log book.  Write down the date, caliber, bullet,OAL etc, and also, if you have more than one firearm chambered for the cartridge, write down which one it is intended for.  When you get back from the range, edit your log for performance, ie good, bad, too much pressure, or just a STAR if the lopad is a keeper.
  I confess....I have just started doing this after 4 years of re-loading.  This log book will save you a lot of grief when you get out your favorite Elk rifle after not seeing it for almost a year.
  Be safe
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2003, 08:48:12 AM »
Heres a few websites with data. The manual I use the most is the Hodgdon # 27, its got load data from many of the powder and bullet co. I'v never had a problem using data for a similar bullet design,and weight,always starting with the min load. One of the most important reloading tools to have is a chronograph, http://chrony.ca/  if your velocities are running higher than book max, BACK OFF!
Jeff
 
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/index.php
http://www.alliantpowder.com/
http://www.imrpowder.com/
http://www.accuratepowder.com/
http://www.reloadersnest.com/handgun.asp

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2003, 10:11:17 AM »
Most of these manuals will have loads for cast bullets. "Unique" powder is a good one to start with for cast bullets. You can buy cast bullets in bulk or cast your own.

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2003, 05:49:48 PM »
Robert, your comments are accurate, but this fellow is just getting started and loading for a 357.  This is most likely a revolver, so it won't be engaging any rifleing before it is fired.  
A 148 gr wadcutter from one brand will be close enough to a 148 gr wadcutter from another manfacturer, so long as you aren't using max loads.  Work up to the max loads slowly (if you feel the need to play with max loads at all) and watch for signs of pressure.  If your manual doesn't explain the signs of pressure than let us know.  There are a lot a smart reloaders here.
I tried using the 148 gr Remington wadcutters because they were a little cheaper, but I don't think they were a good deal.   The lube they use made a huge mess.  I found the Hornady 148s to be more accurate and a  better value.
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Whoops, I missed the reference to 38 & 357
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2003, 06:08:35 PM »
Pistol ammo for some of us here is the same as for our rifles...I got carried away.  Thanks for helping out Doc.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2003, 06:45:54 AM »
Thank-you all for the excellent information it is greatly appreciated. It is nice to have such a wealth of information at your fingertips as i am sure i will be needing your help over and over again. Thanks.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2003, 07:46:07 AM »
Gasr55

I don't want to overwhelm you since you are new at this, but because you are new I would suggest you invest in several loading manuals, and if you are gonna use cast, the Lyman ought to be one of them.  This will give you a lot of information, specific to a lot of bullets and powers.   At the level you are loading, don't change anything from the published data.  Use the same case if given, primer, powder, and bullet.  Get to know how this load handles in your revolver.  Then change one variable, and only one.  See how this changes your performance in your revolver.  Keep this up until you are comfortable predicting what a small change in one component or measure will do in your revolver.  Now you have a baseline from which to measure other changes and other loads.  You will build a personal database as long as you keep records.  It will serve you well over the years.

You might also note that Winchester and all the component manufacturers give away loading data.  If your shop doesn't have this available, ask them to get it.  This data will be specific to their components, but if that's what you are using, that's what you need!
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SEVERAL MANUALS???????
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2003, 04:59:35 PM »
That sounds a bit excessive.....Buy a Speer Manual, or Lyman, Accurate etc.....Maybe a couple of them to compare....keep an eye out for good deals on more of them at yard sales, gun shops, junk shops etc, you can get old ones pretty cheap and they are still excellent for reference and comparison.  You don't have to go out and buy the whole cow all at once....and just for the record.....I don't think I have EVER read any of my manuals cover to cover, over and over again....Read the basics....follow the data to the letter, then look up whatever other data you need , as you need it.  I am not saying you shouldnt be careful, just use common sense and don't stray from EXACT recipes until you are familiar with the process.  Focus ONE cartridge,  Get it right, and that will be the basis for all your other reloading down the road.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2003, 06:59:50 AM »
Thanks guys for your time and interest in helping a first timer you are making this much easier.