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Surprised at hunts on ebay
« on: June 26, 2009, 06:42:56 AM »
Has anyone noticed the elk hunts on ebay two in New Mexico are
landowner hunts in pretty good spots unit #9 bid at $600.00
and #6c not sure how that one works, but 6c i a very hot unit for elk.
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 10:05:34 AM »
Landowner hunts or just the vouchers for tags?

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 09:08:14 AM »
WELL! dunno they said landowner hunts, they usually go for around $1200.-
$2000.. around Cimarron, of course you still have to buy lic. $550.00
I don't know about vouchers, i now the ladowners get permits from the
state to do with as they please.
OK i think i know where the voucher comes in, after you buy a landowner
permit he gives you a voucher so you can buy a lic. over the counter.
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 09:19:19 AM »
This issue is if the tag also provides access to private land or if it just a unit wide tag.  A voucher gets you a tag you might not otherwise draw... But landowner ACCESS is not always part of the deal.

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 09:29:29 AM »
I haven't read any of that in NM rules, i have drawn out the last three times
i tried in unit 48 NM. Last time i hunted in CO it was buy the lic. over the counter when you get there (been awhile) that was on private land.
I do know i can buy landowner permit from the landowner, then a lic. over the counter in NM
and would suppose if a landowner sold me a permit it would mean i would have access.
I have a lic. for unit 48, unit wide, but will be hunting on private land some
of the time, can't remember what they call it, some thing about open gate
police, landowners giving lic. holders access.
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:13 AM »
I do know i can buy landowner permit from the landowner, then a lic. over the counter in NM
and would suppose if a landowner sold me a permit it would mean i would have access.
Do NOT assume that.

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 09:42:09 AM »
I do know i can buy landowner permit from the landowner, then a lic. over the counter in NM
and would suppose if a landowner sold me a permit it would mean i would have access.
Do NOT assume that.



tell me why he would sell you a permit and not let you hunt, people do it every year i have been offered permits, and told where i could hunt.
I know one man that paid $1,500.00 for a landowner permit, bought his
lic. over the counter. Before day light he drove his pickup through the landowners yard parked behind the Barn in the hay meadow. A little after day light he
shot a nice 6x6 out the window of his truck. Yes it was a 6x6 elk better than i have ever had a shot at, but just not my cup of tea.
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 09:52:38 AM »
Simple. MONEY.

The land owner permits are I think good anywhere in the area of his land not just on his land. He sells them for added revenue but might or might not include land access in that price. He can then still sell the land access either to the buyer of permit or anyone else who has a permit and get double the money that way.


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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 10:03:58 AM »
I do know i can buy landowner permit from the landowner, then a lic. over the counter in NM
and would suppose if a landowner sold me a permit it would mean i would have access.
Do NOT assume that.



tell me why he would sell you a permit and not let you hunt, people do it every year i have been offered permits, and told where i could hunt.
I know one man that paid $1,500.00 for a landowner permit, bought his
lic. over the counter. Before day light he drove his pickup through the landowners yard parked behind the Barn in the hay meadow. A little after day light he
shot a nice 6x6 out the window of his truck. Yes it was a 6x6 elk better than i have ever had a shot at, but just not my cup of tea.
I've tried to tell you, I'm concerned that you may not be listening.

In New Mexico what you are generically calling "Land Owner Tags" actually come in two varieties:

1) Unit wide land owner tags - These are the most common and often DOES NOT include access.  People buy these tags because they did not or will not be able to draw in a given unit.  For instance, you may try for the rest of your life to draw a top tier unit 16 bull elk tag.  But if you have the money you could theoretically buy a landowner tag every year and hunt the exact same PUBLIC ground you would have if you drew the tag in the lottery.

2) "Ranch Only" Tags - These tags are good only for the land associated with them.  These are less common and often don't come on the general market because they are being used by guides and outfitters so they can guarentee a tag for their clients.  THESE TAGS ARE NOT GOOD UNIT WIDE.

Read here:
http://www.huntersdomain.com/page15~New-Mexico-Landowner-Landowner-Tags-tag-vouchers.html

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 04:41:09 AM »
I see that you are going through a guide service or outfitter.
No one I know would buy any tag or voucher without KNOWING
he can hunt there, that is what happens when city boys show up in
the woods with their high priced guide. I ask you would you buy a
tag from someone without asking what you were getting? I wouldn't
I ASSUMED that most hunters willing to lay down that kind of money
would would have some kind of knowledge of what was going on.
I do know that in MY opinion it would take someone with more
dollars than since to pay $5,000.00 to Hunt mule deer
or $10,000.00 to hunt elk. If i was going to pay that kind of money
i would add a little to it and go to the Apaches, Jicarilla, or Mescalero.

I have no thought of buying either voucher or permit, i am happy with the draw
i get most every year, i don't have to have a TROPHY every year, would be nice but i have a good week vacation and enjoy the hunt, if i kill something then the fun is over and i have to go to work.

Sorry just not into Picking the fly crap out of the black pepper.
but i understand that some enjoy that.
I was just tring to start a conversation didn't mean to start a class on
outfitters and guides.
Rex
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 05:19:59 AM »
Huh?  I'm not hunting New Mexico this year.  I only included the link because it was the easiest explanation that I thought would satisfy you.  These tags have nothing to do with outfitters, and I'm still concerned that you don't understand. 

Lets say you wanted to hunt the rut in one of New Mexico's best units.  You're going to try and draw 16A, 16D, or 17.  Know what your best draw odds are in those units without a guide?  5% (the low is .5%).  So you will apply, on average, 20 years between tags.  Remember, no preference points in NM. 

So what other choice do you have if you want to hunt one of the best units?  Landowner tags.  There are unit wide tags available for all of the above units and you would likely hunt the same public land as the guys fortunate enough to draw.  Does that make sense?  It doesn't have anything to do guides, outfitters, or fly crap. 

Now as to whether those tags are worth the money?  Capitalism is an interesting thing.  New Mexico has some huge bulls, and better opportunities to get in the game than either Utah or Arizona.  Frankly, these days, $5,000 would be at the low end of a high quality elk hunt that you don't have to draw.

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 07:16:41 AM »
ok I give up, i did not ask for a desertation on hunting in NM. simply
stated that some tags or vouchers were for sale. I understand
that you have to be the Educator. I did not ask for an explanation, don't need one and it also makes no difference i have my lic.
Have you ever had a conversation without trying to educate the world?
If i were buying a tag or voucher i would go to the trouble to get all the
paticulars that go with it, but i am not.
Now do you feel better having gone to the time and trouble to educate me.
I am satisfied now if you are happy.
I was satisfied before the lesson
Rex
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 08:02:48 AM »
ok I give up, i did not ask for a desertation on hunting in NM. simply
stated that some tags or vouchers were for sale. I understand
that you have to be the Educator. I did not ask for an explanation, don't need one and it also makes no difference i have my lic.
Have you ever had a conversation without trying to educate the world?
If i were buying a tag or voucher i would go to the trouble to get all the
paticulars that go with it, but i am not.
Now do you feel better having gone to the time and trouble to educate me.
I am satisfied now if you are happy.
I was satisfied before the lesson

lol.  I would have been happy if you'd simply said, "I don't want to understand the system, thanks for trying." after your very first post.  Of course your first post said, "... not sure how that one works..." so I thought you wanted an explanation.  Then you repeatedly said things that led me to believe you still didn't understand.  Sorry for trying to help.  I would also hate for someone to see your post and believe that they were buying what you called a "hunt" when in fact they were buying a tag.  Could ruin someone's day.

I generally consider these types of forums to be designed to ask questions and get answers.  If I have an answer I'll offer it, if I have a question I'll ask it.  Not trying to offend, and sorry if you see forums as having a different purpose.

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 09:43:04 AM »
I've felt fine the entire time... this certainly isn't about me.  What's with all the hostility?

You didn't understand the New Mexico tag system and I did.  I tried to offer some clarity and confusion ensued... I don't understand all the drama and personal craziness?

Life is good, not everything is an attack on your glorious and vast amount of personal wonderfulness...

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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 10:02:59 AM »
I was thinking the same about you.
You seem to have a need to correct everyone that post.
Maybe i didn't need to understand, as i was not going to be worried about it.
Like i said you seem to have a need to impress folks, i am happy for you.
No hostility on my part i have tried desperatly to let you now, how great
it is to have you around so have others. As far as an attack, i have felt no attack, i have no bumps or bruises.
Rex
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Re: Surprised at hunts on ebay
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 10:15:27 AM »
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