hammer ext

[sbuff]

I shot my sidekick the other day to sight in my new bushnell trophy scope I put on it.I have a weaver base with med rings.I bought a Carlson's hammer ext for clearance.The darn thing would wobble loose after every 5 or so shots.When I installed it ,it never seemed to fit right althought the package said it was the right one for the gun.

I did some research on line and found UMike's makes one with a part number ending in 2456,has anyone had luck with this type of hammer ext?I know NEF sells the base and the hammer ext for about 20bucks,but if I can just get a after market extension I would be just as happy.

As for the sighting in,150gr of T777's and 295gr power belts was dead on at 75 yards.Very happy....If worst comes to worst I guess I could get high ring mounts.

thanks for any help,
steve

[whitetailmaniac]

Sombody correct me if im wrong but i thing the one uncle mikes sells is the same one H&R offers

     Chris

[quickdtoo]

The Uncle Mike's #2456 IS the one H&R sells, it also fit the Ruger Black Hawk, sells for about $8, it's listed in the FAQs. 

Tim

http://www.opticsplanet.net/uncle-mike-s-hammer-extensions-for-a-better-grip.html

[Busta]

Straight out of the FAQ's! LOTS of good useful information in there.

"The H&R OEM rail w/hammer extension can be ordered direct from them or from Bud's, Brownell's, part #427-000-112 and TGS. Bud's has the best price at $15 right now. The Hammer extension can be purchased separately for $8-$10, it's made by Uncle Mike's, part #2456, same as for the Ruger Blackhawk. Hammer Extension"

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,26264.0.html


sbuff,

I don't know if you are shooting 777 loose powder or pellets, but I think (know) you are going to be severely disappointed if you try to shoot a deer sized animal with that much powder and that 295 gr PowerBelt. That bullet will fragment with 100 grains of powder, I have witnessed it at 28 yards before. If you want to shoot MAGNUM loads of powder, you will want to get a bullet that is capable of holding up. If you want to shoot that PowerBelt, 80-90 grains loose powder by Volume maximum, IMO.

If you are shooting 150 grains Volume of loose 777 FFg, that would be the equivelant of a 172.5 grain load of Black Powder. 777 FFg loose powder needs to be reduced by 15% for equivelant loads of Black Powder/Pyrodex/Pellet loads. 777 FFFg needs to be reduced by 20%, if you are using that, 150 grains Volume would be the equivelant to 180 grains Volume of Black powder. You would be lucky to get that PowerBelt bullet past the rib cage with that much powder.

Sorry If I sound like I am preaching, but I am tired of the sales clerks at the BIG BOX store feeding guys full of this type of BS. Most probably don't even shoot a muzzleloader.


[EDIT]
Tim beat me to it while I was researching and typing. I know I'm slow.

[sbuff]

Busta thanks for the reply back,always looking for good info...

The past three deer I have taken with my side kick and this combo of 3 T777's pellets and 295rg PB have all passed through,yardages have all varied.I didn't think the power belt would fragment??? I like them do to the ease of loading them.Should I step down to 2pellets{100grains} of T777 with the 295gr PB?? I have some Hornady SST with the tail for the pellets lieing around,would that be better? Or any other suggestions??

As for the hammer ext,I will place a order for the part number of 2456 from Umikes later today.The Carlson one was not a big hit with me.Great idea,but wouldn't stay on.

GBO is the best sight going for talk,info and idea's...

Thanks,Steve.

[Busta]

Busta thanks for the reply back,always looking for good info...

The past three deer I have taken with my side kick and this combo of 3 T777's pellets and 295rg PB have all passed through,yardages have all varied.I didn't think the power belt would fragment??? I like them do to the ease of loading them.Should I step down to 2pellets{100grains} of T777 with the 295gr PB?? I have some Hornady SST with the tail for the pellets lieing around,would that be better? Or any other suggestions??

As for the hammer ext,I will place a order for the part number of 2456 from Umikes later today.The Carlson one was not a big hit with me.Great idea,but wouldn't stay on.

GBO is the best sight going for talk,info and idea's...

Thanks,Steve.

Well Steve, I guess you can't argue with success, but your results go against everything that I have seen, heard about or read about, concerning PowerBelt's. Just be aware if you hit one in some solid bone, such as the shoulder, I don't think you will like the results. I have run the PowerBelts through a torture test I use on all bullets, they score second from last in my test. This test may or may not have anything to do with performance on game, but like I said I have witnessed failures on game as well. I know several deer are killed with them every year, but they are easy to get, easy to use, and easy. I know several horror stories, especially with them being pushed above 90 grains of powder.

[sbuff]

Busta any suggestions on another proven bullet with 100gr of T777 pellets?

Guess I should be knocking on wood with my past three deer then.

[Busta]

If you want an easy loading bullet similar to the PowerBelt, that will hold up very well to 100 gr 777 pellets, the Hornady FPB comes to mind. They shoot outstanding in the NEF's, and I have NEVER heard one horror story about them fragmenting. I know of several elk taken with them using up to 110 grains of Blackhorn 209. These bullets are flared base full bore conicals weighing 350 grains, and they passed my torture test.

IMO, lead muzzleloader bullets do not need a hollow point, but almost all of the bullet manufacturers think they do. I am talking about lead bullets like the PowderBelt and FPB that have electroplated copper skins, or no skin at all. I am not talking about bullets that have a thick copper jacket.

Here is the all time worst bullet in my torture test, the Hornady Great Plains 385 gr.


The 348 gr PowerBelt comes in second to last, actually the 295 gr and below PowerBelt's actually blew up (fragmented) into several small pieces and were not recoverable as a recognizable shape, so they would have even scored lower than the Great Plains above.



Hornady 350 gr FPB after going through the torture test.



80 grains BH209, which would be about equivalent to 95 to 100 grains of Black Powder/Pyrodex/777 Pellets.



Hornady 300 gr XTP/MAG.


Hornady 300 gr SST.




Full bore White Conical with fiber gasket wad. Torture test below.




I have tested several bullets, both in the torture chamber and on game. I have seen enough of the PowerBelt to say they are the most Loved/Hated Bullet in muzzleloading. They can work very well at the slower velocities they were designed for, but they were never intended to be pushed at MAGNUM velocities. I'll leave it at that.

A test I did just the other day with several conicals and the Hornady FPB. I shot the FPB with 80/90/100/110 grain loads, it really like 80 gr BH209 which again is the approximate equivalent to 95-100 gr of black powder.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,176264.0.html

[sbuff]

I checked out the reviews on the Hornady FPB's on Cabelas,aswell as the PB,both got mixed reviews.Now after talking and seeing your pictures I am not sure if I should switch to another bullet or keep doing what I am doing using the 295PB and two pellets instead of three...And hunting season is getting closer !!!!

how are the TCshock waves.

Thanks,
Steve.

[Busta]

The T/C Shockwaves are the same bullet as the Hornady SST, Hornady makes them for T/C.

[sbuff]

Thanks for all the help busta.Maybe I will stick with the 295gr PB and not mess with my success.....The hammer ext hase been ordered,hope its better then the carlson one.

Have a safe and happy 4th to all....

Steve.

[mannyrock]

  What is the deal with these huge powder loads, I mean by anybody??? 

  80 grains of black powder, or equivalent, in a .50 caliber rifle, is MORE than enought to knock a deer stone dead out to 150 yards.  I've been doing it for 30 years.  First with T/C Maxiballs, then with Buffalo Bore bullets, and now with hollow points and  belted power points.

  What is with you guys?

Regards,

[snakeskinner]

I mostly shoot trad ml now but every deer that myself or my brother shot (5-6) with a powerbelt and 100 grains of pellet powder did NOT have an exit wound. Some were point blank shots. Non were DRT, all had to be tracked. It was the most profound thing I ever experienced with regards to hunting.

[mannyrock]

  But Snakeskinner, are you judging the adequacy of a rifle round by whether or not it it leaves an exit wound?  I guess I've never heard of that before.

   Most rounds do not create an exit wound, and you don't want them to.  All of the energy that comes out of the other side of the deer is totally wasted.  You wan't your projectile to mushroom, and stay inside the game, hopefully flattened out on the inside of the meat on the far side of the animal.   In my experience, except for magnum calibers, most big game cartridges, including the .30-30, .270, .308 and .30-06, do not exit the animal unless you hit them in the neck, or with a broadside lung or lower torso shot.   I've shot al least two deer broadside, through the shoulder, with a 7 Mag, at about 100 yards, using a 145 grain soft point, and not had them come out the other side of the animals.   If you are using the proper bullet weight, and bullet design, they're not suppose to.

  Yes, you do have to track some deer. That's part of hunting.  But I've never had a deer hit with a powerpoint go more than 50 yards, so it never took me more than 3 minutes.  Pretty easiy to follow the blood trail created by that half-inch hole.  :-)

Regards,

Mannyrock

[snakeskinner]

Read Busta's post. I was just mirroring his post and findings about the Powerbelt (not powerpoint) bullet. They have a long history on the net of being poor performers for the reasons Busta stated. Do a google search and see how many times their problems come up.
I want all a bullets energy spent on a human target with a defense load but not on deer. I want an exit wound and I don't even care if a 50 cal slug expands. As Busta stated if a Powerbelt hits a shoulder you might be lucky to get it to pass through.

[mannyrock]

Snakeskinner,

  Thanks for the info. I've never had a problem with a powerbelt, but on the other hand, I don't know that I've ever shot one into the front shoulder of a deer, right at the joint.  I guess I'll be careful not to!

Regards,

Mannyrock