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Offline locutius

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Berreta Renegade 1873? Anyone got one and an opinion?
« on: July 13, 2009, 03:35:08 PM »
Ok, I'm pretty sure that there won't be a shortage of opinions ;D

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Seriously fellas, I like Beretta's reputation for quality and this rifle comes with factory-installed short stroke. This rifle in Oz is like to set me back about $2000 so I would really like some feed back from anyone who owns one, has shot one, wants one etc. "Guns of the Old West" magazine gave it a pretty good write up but someone who owns one and put a few thousand rounds through one will be more intimate with it's strengths and flaws I'm guessing.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 05:06:02 PM »
It's really no more a Berreta than I am. It's a Uberti made reproduction of the Winchester Model 1873 so yes to your question on Atlaw's thread about his new '73 it is the same. Berretta owns Uberti these days and I guess they just decided to put their name on this one. I'm sure it's no better or worse than those with the real maker's name on them.


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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 05:12:00 PM »
Beretta now owns Uberti, and I would guess this is a Uberti manufactured rifle, with the Beretta name on it. Look on the lower tang, under the lever.

I have two of the Uberti 1873's, sold under the Cimarron name, one in .44-40 and one in .38-40. And I like them really, really well. There are thousands of them being used in Cowboy Action Shooting each month. I wouldn't be afraid of the rifle.

If you plan on getting the rifle in 45 Colt caliber, the action will get a little bit more dirty if you use blackpowder.

These rifles require about two hundred rounds to break in properly. Repeatedly cycling the lever helps also.

I hope you enjoy your rifle as much as I enjoy my rifles...!

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 05:46:40 PM »
Okay Loki, now I understand what you were talking about!   :)  I didn't know Beretta put their name on one of these rifles.   :-\  I see they didn't adopt the whole line though; just the carbine.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 02:37:58 PM »
Thanks for the replies fellas. Wondering how this baby goes with full power loads. I have seen some caveats reagrding some of the lever actions about full power loads, ie. restricting the loads to top pistol loads maximum. Yet I have heard good things about the strength of the Renegade. And my mate (Jacko) has a little Rossi in .357 mag and he has been pushing the loads to find it's limits and it has been handling some pretty warm loads aswell.

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 02:50:12 PM »
The '73 and '92 actions are completely different!  Like Grey Beard told me some time back, "if you want to hot rod the 45 Colt get a '92!" or words to that effect.  The '92 is a much stronger action then the '73.

I think I mentioned in the other thread that the August issue of HandLoader listed a couple of cast and jacketed loads for the '73 that exceded the SAA level, around 14K psi I believe, but were still under 20K psi.  Brien Pearce believes they are safe and published them so...  :-\
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 03:13:37 PM »
locutius, just curious about life in oz, what does a common rifle like say a marlin 30-30 cost over there?and what drives up the price? is it say a tax created by politicians or just inflated shipping charges?very interesterd in your way of life. our way of life seems to be rapidly dwindleing as far as our rights go.

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 06:26:22 PM »
G'day Hillbill, mate there are quite a few reasons I think. The main ones I think are shipping, buying power and the flutuating Aussie dollar.

Shipping shouldn't be a huge factor as the major importers would be ordering goods by the palletload so the shared freight costs between hundreds or thousands of items should be pretty reasonable. But if you want something specific and don't want to wait 3-6 months then it's going to cost a bomb. Also a lot of the really economical suppliers in the US don't do international orders which is a real pity. I know Midway USA has has some specials that would make Aussies cry. I really hope that changes.

I terms of buying power, our most powerful shooters association (similar to your NRA) has about 110 000 registered shooters and that would represent a big chunk of the shooters here. I'd say at least 70%. So even our biggest gunshops would probably seem pretty quaint and tame to you blokes. Remember there are basically no semiauto rifles/shotguns and no pump action shotguns over here. And you must have a specific competition reason to own a pistol in a caliber .40 or over. All from a knee jerk political decision 10-15 years ago. What we lack in numbers we make up for in enthusiasm though. Most blokes usually have 4-6 firearms minimum.

We also have a standard 10% GST on everything in Australia and I'm sure that the gunshops rely on the fact that they have a captive market, still if they can't make a decent living out of it then they'll just pack it in. I'm sure our biggest gunshops aren't getting access to the same discounts as a lot of the US stores and chains. Just not the volume.

The Marlins are still quite reasonable (for us) at the moment, a 336C 30/30 on special about $AUS900 ($US720). A lot of blokes reload over here as well, when you can be paying $AUS6.00 a shot minimum to shoot a 45/70, $AUS11.00 a shot for .458 Win might as well stay home, clean the rifles and set fire to the wallet. But if you do that you'll only have less fun and the "Minister of War and Finances" (wife) will only find chores for you to do.

In the end while it's not ALL good, it's still pretty good. Just have to fight for the rights that we still have. DON"T LET YOUR'S GO. Thank goodness you guys had someone like Jefferson at the helm at the beginning. One of the truly great men of history.

I will get over there one day soon, I know I probably won't want to leave. If I could turn the clock back and find me a nice American gal, I'd be calling you pardner by now. :)
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Re: Berreta Renegade 1873? Anyone got one and an opinion?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 04:17:34 AM »
Locutius - I appreciate you providing information on you country's gun laws and your "take". By-the-way, where did the name "Locutius" come from (Oz translation?)?
   Regarding the 1873 Beretta, what is the "factory installed short stroke" modification? Although Beretta owns Uberti, the Beretta/Uberti pistols I've examined are better finished (albeit more expensive) even though they may not function any better.
    From the examples I've seen of the 1873 models, which include the "carbines", "short rifles", and "long rifles" I can not imagine a better fit and finish provided by any name added to Uberti.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 05:53:33 AM »
By-the-way, where did the name "Locutius" come from (Oz translation?)?

Oz translation!   ???  There's only one source of the name Locutius!   ::)  And, since you had to ask you obviously wouldn't understand...  ;)   :D

"Live long and prosper" there Jager-meister!    ;D
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 09:02:40 AM »
Yes, but resistance is futile.

By-the-way, where did the name "Locutius" come from (Oz translation?)?

Oz translation!   ???  There's only one source of the name Locutius!   ::)  And, since you had to ask you obviously wouldn't understand...  ;)   :D

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 09:52:28 AM »
Because you will be assimilated!
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